UC Fee Comparison

<p>Citan, when you leave out context, you can easily misrepresent some statements. For instance, "The subject matter was quality, not prices," refers to jhype's quotation, not to the thread in general. With regard to the thread in general, you can find my views in post #34, where I say "Obviously the bulk of this thread is about cost or price, as is the title, as is the quotation you picked."</p>

<p>I was calling you a hypocrite in part because you talk about keeping suggestions to yourself whereas you advise people do certain things (such as me not posting in the UCLA forum, or perhaps posting in the Berkeley forum). But here's what the quotations you provided show. They say that you should take the advice you give other people, and that you shouldn't tell people where they can and can't post because you don't have any authority to do so. How does my saying you lack authority and my saying I'm not talking about my authority show some sort of hypocrisy? You advised me to keep my suggestions to myself, namely the one you provide here, that you shouldn't tell people where they can and can't post (which you keep doing with me, essentially saying don't post in the UCLA forum and do post in the Berkeley forum). Where is my hypocrisy? Could you show me my hypocrisy with those quotations, or others on this thread? I don't see it yet.</p>

<p>You go to Berkeley. That's enough for me. </p>

<p>:D</p>

<p>And Citan, you're the new official UCLA sub-forum mascot. Congratulations.</p>

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With regard to the thread in general, you can find my views in post #34, where I say "Obviously the bulk of this thread is about cost or price, as is the title, as is the quotation you picked."

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<p>you said this after the fact I pointed it out that the thread wasn't about quality...</p>

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Could you show me my hypocrisy with those quotations

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<p>I did...</p>

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You also have no authority as to where people can post, so it'd be nice if you didn't act as if you did when talking to CA2006.

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<p>that's not a "suggestion"? you calling me a hypocrite after I ask you to keep your suggestions to yourself, which was a reply to your "suggestion" is absurd and hypocrisy on your part. You started the policing not me. Let me remind you again, you are not a moderator. My comment was to CA2006 and not to YOU...if you were a moderator then you would have the right to tell me what I can or cannot post...since you aren't you have no right. </p>

<p>I only made the "stay in the Cal board" comment because CA2006's comment about "and most important, the fact I'm at CAL " implying inferiority of UCLA</p>

<p>To UCLAri</p>

<p><em>shakes fist</em></p>

<p>:p</p>

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you said this after the fact I pointed it out that the thread wasn't about quality...

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<p>Perhaps I made it explicitly clear at that time, but I had implied it previously. It was obvious from reading the thread that it was and isprimarily about cost, and I never implied or said that it was primarily about quality. However, you did say that it was none of it was about quality, when in fact some of it was. Are we done with this yet? Please?</p>

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Could you show me my hypocrisy with those quotations

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<p>You failed to show anything and should probably drop this point because nothing seems apparent.</p>

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that's not a "suggestion"?

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<p>What if it is? How is that relevant?</p>

<p>Kids kids...</p>

<p>You're both right.</p>

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You failed to show anything and should probably drop this point because nothing seems apparent.

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<p>it is apparent...if you are ignoring it that's a different matter.</p>

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What if it is? How is that relevant?

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You also have no authority as to where people can post, so it'd be nice if you didn't act as if you did when talking to CA2006.

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<p>relevant?</p>

<p>that's why</p>

<p>Citan, demonstrate it or stop suggesting it. Make it explicit or your claim means nothing.</p>

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Make it explicit or your claim means nothing.

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<p>a quote's not explicit?</p>

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You also have no authority as to where people can post, so it'd be nice if you didn't act as if you did when talking to CA2006.

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<p>my comment was to CA2006....yet you try to butt in trying to tell me what to do as if you had some authority. then you go on and call me a hypocrite because I told you to mind your own business.....what a strange definition you have of the word hypocrisy.</p>

<p>The quotations do not explicity show it, so yeah, the ones you provided were not explicit enough, but certainly some quotations can be explicit enough.</p>

<p>So let us define hypocrisy as
" 1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness." </p>

<p>From dictionary.com</p>

<p>So to be a hypocrite you have to have one of those qualities. Now, you said that I am a hypocrite, which means I must have one of those qualities. Your proof is that </p>

<p>1) I spoke as if I had authority.</p>

<h2>2) I call you a hypocrite in response to your telling me to mind my own business.</h2>

<p>3) therefore, I'm a hypocrite with regard to this situation.</p>

<p>Do you think that makes sense? I don't.</p>

<p>I don't think I called you a hypocrite in response to your telling me to mind my own business. I did it in response to your suggestion and your repeated ignoring the suggestion. Here's my proof.</p>

<p>1) You suggested I should keep my suggestions to myself. </p>

<h2>2) You did not do this yourself.</h2>

<p>3)Therefore, you are a hypocrite with regard to this situation.</p>

<p>I think that makes sense. Granted, you said "so I would appreciate it if you keep your suggestions to yourself," and I'm rephrasing that as "people should keep their suggestions to themselves," but i don't think that's at all problematic, as you seem to support the latter proposition throughout this thread since you made the original comment.</p>

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1) You suggested I should keep my suggestions to myself. </p>

<h2>2) You did not do this yourself.</h2>

<p>3)Therefore, you are a hypocrite with regard to this situation.

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<p>my suggestion to keep your "suggestion to yourself" was in response to your suggestion </p>

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so it'd be nice if you didn't act as if you did when talking to CA2006.

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<p>then you go and tell me after I tell you to mind your own business (which was a reply to CA2006...where you had no authority to make any "suggestion" to me) that I am a hypocrite for not following my own advise of spouting "suggestions", ignoring your own comment made to me and not following your own standards</p>

<p>"The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness."</p>

<p>.....hypocrisy? I think so</p>

<p>The fact that your demand to keep my observation to myself was in response to my saying that "you also have no authority as to where people can post, so it'd be nice if you didn't act as if you did when talking to CA2006" does not change anything at all." </p>

<p>You could reconstrue that to mean "don't tell people where to post," fine. </p>

<p>This last post just seems to reinforce my point that you were hypocritical. Here's your argument.</p>

<p>1) Your response, that I should keep my suggestion to myself, was in response to my saying that you shouldn't act as if you have authority to tell people where they can (and cannot) post.<br>
2) I called you a hypocrite for not following your own advice, or doing what you are advising others to do.</p>

<h2>3) I ignored my own standards.</h2>

<p>4) I'm a hypocrite.</p>

<p>The reasoning doesn't follow. Could you explain how it does, or how (if you think I am) i'm misinterpretting or misrepresenting what you said?</p>

<p>Do you mind making it explicit which standards (which I set out) that I broke? This is kinda necessary to your proof, but I can't find it anywhere.</p>

<p>The first two points, (1) and (2), are irrelevant in my eyes to your proof. Could you show me how they are relevant (if you think they are)?</p>

<p>1) I replied to CA2006 not to YOU.
2) You suggest to me that I should not make said "suggestion", even though you don't have the authority to do so.
3) I tell you that you have no authority to make the said "suggestion"
4) You, based on that statement, say that I am a hypocrite.</p>

<p>So you violate the same statement you accuse me of violating and call me a hypocrite? That doesn't make any sense....you are a hypocrite yourself because of (2)...think about it. I already stated what I think twice, if you don't understand then I don't know what to do. You are the hypocrite here because you tell me that I shouldn't make suggestions and tell people what to do but in (2) did that yourself to me.</p>

<p>As a neutral spectator (I don't go to UCLA or CAL)...I see Citan's point. So just end it guys...it's really getting redundant haha; DRab keeps acting like he doesn't know what Citan is talking about and then Citan continues to explain over and over haha</p>

<p>Yea, I take Citan's side too. haha.</p>

<p>I haha at 16399 and smiles77 for their two hahas.</p>

<p>And I raise both of you two hahas, just to up the stakes.</p>

<p>haha.</p>

<p>[random response] lol... </p>

<p>and i lol again 2x for UCLAri... lol... </p>

<p>oh and multiple sets of ellipsises following my lol's</p>

<p>lol...</p>

<p>I do want to (and plan on) ending it soon, 16399, but it's not fair to accuse me of acting like I don't know what Citan is talking about without saying that I actually DON'T know what Citan is talking about. I'm trying my best- I'm being intellectually honest here, really. His arguments have thankfully become more clear as this has gone on, but only in this last post is it fairly easy to understand him. He's made admirable progress in post #52.</p>

<p>(1) is not relevant, is it (although you have made the same suggestion to me multiple times now)? It's not relevant to whom you dirrected the statement "If you are back it up with proof...otherwise remain in the Cal board." I feel the way you did towards him towards you right now- I don't see any proof from you at all.</p>

<p>2) is accurate after reinterpretting "you have no authority to tell people where they can and cannot post" into "don't tell people where they can and cannot post." You obviously can do whatever you want that is physically possible, but I was just saying you don't have the authority on these boards to tell people where they can and cannot post, which you assumed (and probably rightfully so, but not what I stated) that I implied that you shouldn't tell people where they can and cannot post because you lack the authority.</p>

<p>(3) and (4) are off. For (3), if I have no authority to tell you that you lack a certain type of authority, how can you REPEATEDLY tell me that I am not a mod? This is very similart, but there is a key difference- your claim is FAR stronger. Do you see how they are similar? We are both telling each other that we lack a certain type of authority. Now, I'm quite aware that I'm not a mod, and I don't think I have acted in any particularly mod-ish ways, unless you think mod-ish ways include trying to keep the tos which I did by telling you that you have no authority to tell the poster where he or she can post. But you don't have the authority to do that. Are you saying I dont have the authority to tell you that you don't have the authority? Anyone can tell you that. The person who tells you that doesn't have to have any authority whatsoever. Why? Because of the TOS- that's all that's necessary. But anyway, if I lack the authority to tell you that you can't tell people where they can and cannot post, how is it that you can tell me that I am not a mod? It doesn't make sense.</p>

<p>4) is also way off. You misunderstand why you were a hypocrite. I claim that you were a hypocrite because of the following reason. What is off in the proof? If it's all accurate, the reasoning is sound, so you were.</p>

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1) You suggested I should keep my suggestions to myself.</p>

<h2>2) You did not do this yourself.</h2>

<p>3)Therefore, you are a hypocrite with regard to this situation.

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<p>Again, what I told you was that you don't have the authority to tell him where to post. My telling you that you don't have the authority to tell him where to post is not really a suggestion, but rather an observation.</p>

<p>Honestly, it doesn't matter how many people are on your side, citan. I know that 1) i'm correct and 2) you haven't proven anything with regard to my being a hypocrite in some way so far, but I would love to see you do it. </p>

<p>UCLAri, what's your opinion (besides that this is ridiculously petty and lame and a waste of time- I'm fully aware).</p>

<p>Yeah Ari, what IS your opinion :p</p>

<p>Honestly? </p>

<p>I think you're both arguing over arguing. </p>

<p>Citan, you could sometimes be a little less...snarky.
DRab, stop caring about these things. It's not worth it.</p>

<p>The end.</p>

<p>THE END........or is it? haha</p>