<p>I heard that grad schools look for one's experiences and gpa more than where they go for undergrad.</p>
<p>hah this thread is so funny... basicly turned into an ego game. here is my 2 cents, litterally 2 cents...</p>
<p>in my managerial accounting class, just about everyone in there is going to CSU Fullerton for business since managerial accounting isn't a pre-req for UC's (not anymore i don't think)</p>
<p>i can honestly say, that class was loaded with the most half-assed, ignorant, and unmotivated business students i've met. a lot of them looked COMPLETELY nerdy yet somehow I managed to score 96's with the class average being around 70... the professor loved me since i'd always hang around his office hour asking him questions and i'd randomly throw a comment bashing one of the idiots in the class... he completely agreed.</p>
<p>he basicly said that those students were completely needy and he even stated that "how are these students supposed to do well when they transfer when they can't even do well in my class?"</p>
<p>i truely believe that CSU's cater to the "not too bright" crowd or ones who lack the motivation to attend a UC. </p>
<p>but for those of you who do attend a UC, you will slay the retarded women from CSU's because UC > CSU :p</p>
<p>Misguided, moss, misguided. Please refer to the list I posted earlier: many, many reasons why perfectly bright, motivated students would choose CSU. What you say about your class can be said for just about everyone at community college, including those who transfer to UCs.</p>
<p>Earlier, someone was making fun of the "fact" that the CSU system has an endowment of $678,000,000, which would be an embarrassing number. That is, if it were true. The statement that the endowment is only 678 million is misleading for the following reason:</p>
<p>"The California State University's permanent, collective endowment has grown to $678 million U.S. dollars as of the close of the 2004-2005 academic year. In addition, each of the 23 campuses of the CSU raise their own funds through donations and other external funding, and each campus controls its own separate endowment funds not counted in the above collective endowment amount."</p>
<p>So, the CSU system itself does have an endowment of 678 million dollars ... on top of the endowment of each individual campus. Having an endowment of a little over half of a billion dollars deduicated solely to administrative functions doesn't seem too shabby. (Having said that, I do think that many CSU campuses are jokes ... especially Chico. On the other hand, the UC system does have schools with shabby reps: "Friends don't let friends go to Riverside.")</p>
<p>flexi- Actually, much of cal poly's endowment comes from businesses who recruit at cal poly. Cal Poly's Centennial Campaign netted $275M and MUCH of that came from business. E.g., every lab in the new contruction management building is named after a business who donated.</p>
<p>Regarding endowment in general, it's not as important at CSU's because they don't do nearly as much research. There are a few Ph.D. students at SDSU and cal poly working in the joint programs, but it's not nearly as big of a deal as it is at UC. The research that does go on is geared toward undergrads. Hence, the senior project requirement. CSU's are undergrad-oriented, where UC's are graduate-oriented. That was a big plus for the CSU when I was deciding on college.</p>
<p>"i truely believe that CSU's cater to the "not too bright" crowd or ones who lack the motivation to attend a UC."</p>
<p>Cal Poly Avg: 3.8, 1240
SDSU Avg: 3.5, 1100</p>
<p>UCR Avg: 3.5, 1070
UCSC: 3.5, 1140
UCM: not sure, but I'm assuming lower than the CSU's</p>
<p>It seems a couple CSU campuses have far brighter students than do UC campuses.</p>
<p>Giants8, I don't think that one cna really arrive at that conclusion based on GPA. First, the rigor/excellence of each campus their individual programs are almost positively different. (A kid getting a 3.5 at one of the UC campuses you mentioned might be able to get a 3.8-4.0 at a CSU or vice versa.)</p>
<p>Also, a GPA is really much more reflective of a students work ethic than their intelligence. There are plenty of brilliant slackers and quite a few indutrious dullards. A good illustration of this is that, at Yale, John Kerry and George W. Bush had nearly identical GPAs ... and W is pretty clearly the mentally inferior member of that pair.</p>
<p>Since numbers speak for themselves, and apparently you think my numbers are not aprapos for this argument I will provide more detailed figures.</p>
<p>Here are some individual CSU campus endowments:</p>
<p>CSU Chico $17.9 Million</p>
<p>SDSU $99.6 Million</p>
<p>CalPolySLO $140 Million</p>
<p>CalPolyPomona $20.5 Million</p>
<p>CSU Fullerton $13.2 Million</p>
<p>Sure, you could argue that there are alot more donations coming in etc, but the fact that there are also ALOT of donations going into a UC as well, mitigate that argument.</p>
<p>I for one believe that a school's endowment speaks volumes about its alumni. When Eschatos said that a an endowment of $678mil for administrative functions is not too shabby...look at the same figure for the UC system its $5billion for a system with fewer campuses, and fewer students.</p>
<p>For all of you who say that UC'S are just not focused on undergrad..etc why do they teach it in the first place? why do they have 2, sometimes 3 times the amount of students in their undergrad program than their grad programs when its something they are supposedly not "focused" on?</p>
<p>Eschatos..why do you ridiculous liberals turn EVERYHTING into Bush bashing!!! my goodness!</p>
<p>Eschatos- Although I agree with your politics, those are high school gpa and SAT scores that I listed. Cal Poly's college gpa is actually much lower than the UC campuses' due to grade deflation.</p>
<p>Um, why do you assume that I'm a liberal? The concept that George W. Bush is a freaking moron isn't exactly a partisan one. I mean the man's own wife makes fun of his low intelligence at every single event they're at. "I ran into George at the library ... (giggle) I know, i know."</p>
<p>so your saying your a Conservative?</p>
<p>Every school has programs they focus on. CSU's have grad programs, but they are clearly not focused on those.</p>
<p>Again, I don't think endowment reflects on undergrad education. UC obviosuly needs more money because they do tons of research. CSU does not.</p>
<p>No, I'm not a conservative either. (I really don't want to cause the thread to drift too much. So, let's get this out of the way and discuss it further, if we must, through PMs.) I'm not a fan of either movement. To me, it seems rather stupid to pick a political team and root for it on every single issue. Rather, I think it is the duty of every educated individual to evaluate the issues and formulate their own positions based on the merits of the issues and the ideas that are involved.</p>
<p>^^ Lol</p>
<p>121212121212</p>
<p>that was sarcasm funnyguy. I was generalizing CC students, in order to show you that you shouldn't generalize CSU students. You were making assumptions, and so I made assumptions to show you that makign assumptions is wrong.</p>
<p>way to be slow = )</p>
<p>Giants, I wasn't aware that those were high school stats. I thought you were comparing college stats. My bad.</p>
<p>Cal Poly SLO is on a totally different level than other CSUs. Its ranked #5 on the West top schools while the next second best CSU is CSULB which is ranked #26 and everything goes downhill from there.</p>
<p>If the other CSU's had similar rankings as Cal Poly SLO, it would give lower-mid level UC's a run for their money.</p>
<p>why all the hate ilovecalifornia?</p>
<p>but i do love all the attention you are paying me =)</p>
<p>personally, id rather go to cal slo, pomona, fullerton than going to merced, riverside or santa cruz</p>
<p>for my major, business/accounting/finance</p>