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<p>Drj, your analysis, while ostensibly thorough, is weak. You seem to entirely misunderstand the fact that they ARE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, MEANT TO SERVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS. Your analysis leaves open the question why the two systems even exist as separate entities.</p>

<p>For instance, you mentioned SDSU's joint doctoral programs. None of the CSUs were originally intended to have any kind of PhD programs; the UC system is very different in that regard. The programs that have developed at certain CSUs are the exception. </p>

<p>The lines are not blurred between the systems. You misunderstand the development of the systems and the choices Californians have, perhaps coming from an out of state viewpoint. Students here understand the differences between the systems and the different students they serve.</p>

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Do CSU students go to top tier grad schools? unquestionably, and that includes even the ivies. the chancellor's office has data to prove this.

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At this point, that's a ridiculously lame thing to say. No one disagrees that some CSU students go on to top tier grad schools. The point is that very few do; many more UC students do. The UC system is designed to facilitate going to top tier grad schools much more than the CSU system is. The idea that we could even compare the two systems in that regard is ridiculous.</p>

<p>As I stated earlier, the systems are not even meant to be compared. CSUs are "Master's Universities," UCs are "National Universities." They aren't compared by US News & World Report and other rankings; they are different systems designed for different students, different goals, etc.</p>

<p>I'll provide another example (there are an endless amount): The CSU system is important in its ability to educate teachers for California's high schools. If you want to be a high school teacher, the CSU system is a perfect choice. If you want to go to a top tier grad school, the UC system is the right choice. AGAIN, you can reach either of those goals with either system, but THERE IS A BETTER, preferable CHOICE for each student.</p>

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<p>if i wanna get rich which system should i choose?</p>

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<p>"if i wanna get rich which system should i choose?"</p>

<p>DEPENDS--need more info.</p>

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<p>And by the way, drj, 11 campuses? Nice try: just another sign you don't really understand California's system of higher education. UC Hastings is not governed by the UC Regents; it's not considered a UC campus. UC San Francisco doesn't apply to us undergrads, so really there are 9 campuses.</p>

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<p>Actually, drj has taught at several Ca universities.</p>

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<p>Perhaps he has never taught in the UC system? And the fact he teaches in California doesn't mean he necessarily has a grasp of CA's system of higher education. His view could even be biased if he has spent too much time in one part of the system.</p>

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<p>Umm...isn't Alaska the largest state?</p>

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<p>g1a2b3e to make a fair argument you should list the numbers of students applying and to which schools. I could probably attend a top tier grad school as a CSU student, but i'm not even applying, i'm going to let my CFP do all the talking.</p>

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<p>what do you mean it depends?
isnt there a statistic that shows which system makes ppl richer??</p>

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<p>The statistic would not be a definitive answer for you. If you major in accounting and want to get rich within a local environment, then CSU would be the answer, for instance, compared to someone who majors in liberal arts and goes to a far off UC but also wants to become rich within a local environment.</p>

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<p>I also wanna go to grad school</p>

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<p>well don't be too sure about majoring in accounting.. it takes a special type of person. i thought accounting would be the right major for me unitl i took a couple classes. Even though I did well in those classes it bored me to death. I'm thinking about finance.</p>

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<p>What grad school do you want to go to, or what are a few you would like to go to?</p>

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<p>1,2,3,
thank you for your extraordinarily condescending view of my post. one can only conclude that you are the penultimate oracle of all things related to the UC and CSU. to suggest that i am even somewhat unaware of the differences in the two systems does not even warrant a response. to further suggest that there are firewalls between the two systems is furthermore absurd. you even seem to suggest that the CSU has a primary mission of preparing public school teachers, which of course was the way things were more than a century ago when san jose state normal college was formed. even aliens from another planet can see very similar programs at both undergraduate and graduate levels across these two systems. and, as previously noted, some CSU campuses now have morphed into joint Ph.D. programs with UCs. even more recently the Ed.D. degree was approved for the CSU system. apparently your vast knowledge base missed a few of these minor points? or are you in a 19th century time tunnel?</p>

<p>that said, nobody is disputing the fact that the UC is the premier system in a way somewhat similar to UNC and NCSU's relationship over in the ACC. you might want to note what percentage of CSU graduates, both at the undergrad and grad levels, get their degrees in education compared to other fields such as business and engineering.</p>

<p>it should be noted that some UC campuses have migrated into the CSU mission. originally it was planned that undergraduate applied areas such as business would be the province of the CSU. but several UCs have quietly moved econ programs into "business economics" and even into business alone. this is yet one of dozens of examples that prove the fault lines between the two systems continue to narrow.</p>

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<p>gabe:
i still don't know =)
top ones i guess</p>

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<p>DRJ, </p>

<p>I think we agree that the systems were INTENDED to be apples and oranges and in many ways still are. We also agree that changes have led to overlaps, but it is wrong to think the systems are overly alike.</p>