UC Policy reduces # of Asians system wide

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<p>I get the feeling the vast majority of you are Asian…</p>

<p>Those of you who don’t see the value in diversity are really just closet racists…</p>

<p>A higher level of diversity makes it far more difficult for discrimination to occur on campus. At UCSD, it is not uncommon for Asian frats/clubs to hand out invites only to other Asian students. </p>

<p>Not to mention the fact that they tend to form close knit cliques of only Asian students. When this has been brought up in the past, it was stated that this happens because of the demographics of UCSD, where it is entirely possible for an Asian student to have all their closest friends be Asian. Citing a shared history/past as the number one reason.</p>

<p>This IS a problem, and I for one am glad to see the UC system is finally getting off their butt, and trying to fix it.</p>

<p>In the end, all this means is that future UC students will be well rounded individuals, and not just your typical Asian nerd with zero social skills…</p>

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<p>@UC_Transfer: How do you know that all Asians at UCs are nerds with zero social skills? Asian people are far more active than you think and plus, what exactly are the “social skills” that you were talking about?</p>

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<p>ComradeD wins this thread. There is nothing racially bias about moving away from a test-based requirement. SAT scores show your ability to take a test, not perform in college.</p>

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<p>“typical Asian nerd with zero social skills…” --wow, this comment is very prejudice UC_Transfer. Are you referring to all Asians, even Asian Americans? Asian immigrants may tend to less socialize because they are new to the culture and environment. Being Asian does not predispose you to be afraid of connecting with others. However, Asian parents (whether to immigrants or Asian Americans) may tend to teach their kids to be individualistic more than rely purely on others. Hence, some may tend not always to roll with the crowd–I think this is a very mature attitude of thinking.
Now, does this mean they have zero social skills? Haha, come on!!! Where did you get that idea? Are you saying that Asian Americans are utterly untrained to fit in society? I know you need to ease your insecurity by pointing fingers and throwing rocks, but at least make it rational?</p>

<p>Back to the topic: In my point of view, I don’t think diversity is the reason why UC’s are limiting Asian students. It is because they are not worth the number that they accept so to speak.
Don’t forget that everything in a capitalistic society is business minded, meaning that they have no reason to cut something productive just because it looks good or seems rightful. Of course good looks may make its worth go a little higher, especially since we consider ethics as a base of our country’s infrastructure, but no one ever uses it as the sole reason to cut any good crop. Diversity looks and sounds good, but is it really worth losing good investment?
Actually, it has more chances of back-fire than of good–look at what is happening in this forum and on the news paper or journal provided earlier. </p>

<p>IN GENERAL…(of course I dont have any hard facts, just personal observations of people who attended my mother’s tutor center) Asian Americans and immigrants are almost FORCED, or in a more positive term, driven by their parents to study. Hence, once they are free from their parents grasps, they tend to do worse.
Asian American parents aren’t to blame though, since it is true to study hard, be an individual, and succeed in society. </p>

<p>SO SHOULD IT BE ALL ABOUT TEST SCORES, AND GRADES? OF COURSE! are you kidding me. the closest thing to show that you can succeed in college is sacrificing your time and getting good grades, and doing well on tests. That’s probably the hardest thing one can do. What’s harder, going out to set up decorations for ASB or studying 8-9 hours in a library for AP physics. This is a no brainer. You can’t have Extra Circulars be 50%… ***…
BUT, since UC’s main goal is to cut Asian American students, and they know that Asian Americans do well on tests… score good grades, they think this may work.
I mean come on, you dont need 40-50% asian american students if you know that they arn’t as much investment as 40% more white students right?
This “mindset” won’t dramatically lower Asian Americans though, since although a handful may decrease in proficiency once they are college student, A LOT succeed, and become a great contributor to the American society.</p>

<p>This is my predicament.</p>

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<p>I disrespect you UC_transfer, you seem to be one of those big headed people that need to assure themselves as of higher position to bear life.
If you want to be an accredited individual in society, not just someone who yells and blames everything, learn to not only get passed differences of physical, cultural nature, but try to understand them without throwing the first rock, or insult.</p>

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<p>“SO SHOULD IT BE ALL ABOUT TEST SCORES, AND GRADES? OF COURSE! are you kidding me. the closest thing to show that you can succeed in college is sacrificing your time and getting good grades, and doing well on tests. That’s probably the hardest thing one can do. What’s harder, going out to set up decorations for ASB or studying 8-9 hours in a library for AP physics. This is a no brainer.”</p>

<p>Test scores show you’ve prepared well for a test. You have no idea how boring this campus would be if we accepted people based solely on their GPA and test scores. I didn’t even take my SATs and I’m doing fine.</p>

<p>There are plenty of ECs that are just as difficult. What’s more difficult, studying for AP Physics for 8-9 hours, or dropping weight for wrestling, going to practice for five hours, then studying for AP Physics for 3-4 hours?</p>

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<p>Oh please, dropping weight for wresting, cleaning up garbage in the freeway, helping the homeless in some miniscule manner, even helping autistic kids learn how to bond (something that I did) may help you become more of a responsible person–so it will help you in college. But, honestly man, the direct influence of succeeding in college comes from your study habits. You can make claim after claim how correlated things, such as experiences or what not, may provide help to succeed in college, but remember ex jubivantibus: direct relations are THE most important.
All I’m saying is, the majority of the weight should be leaning towards GPA and SATs. Something that you earn from STUDYING…</p>

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<p>"All I’m saying is, the majority of the weight should be leaning towards GPA and SATs. Something that you earn from STUDYING… "</p>

<p>Not everyone is a Math/Science major. SATs reflect great for those students, not really the case for any other major on campus. Just curious ala, where is it you’re attending?</p>

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<p>Okay, your statement seems logical; but, what I am trying to address is is that clearly UC’s are doing this to change something. And that something does not rely on Asian Americans being “ANTISOCIAL” or non-active in campus activities. It centers on the potential for Asian Americans to succeed in at their university. I guess, you can argue that since Asian Americans tend to do less ECA, they are indirectly less responsible (but, really?).
Whatever it is, the answer is simple: Asian American students are not as profitable as the numbers.</p>

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<p>I am attending Cal Poly Pomona, there’s a huge white population here, considerably outnumbering the asian. I really don’t care though, people are people to me.</p>

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<p>I only asked because I was wondering why you seem so against this movement away from standardized testing as a requirement for admissions. The removal of these tests as factors in admissions seems to be supported by the majority of my campus (one that had a 43.4% Asian demographic admitted this past fall).</p>

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<p>Sounds like a good policy to me! UCRA!</p>

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<p>Ha, you’re all so quick to jump all over me when I bring up the asian nerd stereotype. I ask you, how many of you attend UCSD? I do. I see it all the time. I deal with them on a daily basis (science major). You’d be surprised how little things like breathing through your nose, not farting in class, and just not being generally creepy are lost on them. Not every Asian person is like this. I know that.</p>

<p>This policy can do some real good for a great amount of people. The only people who seem mad about it are Asian-Americans. I have no idea why. Would it kill them to stop hitting the books for a second, and volunteer some of their time to a needy cause? Either they play ball, or suffer the consequences. Simple as that.</p>

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<p>The ‘Asian-Americans’ are mad because they work so hard to overtake our schools, and now we’re doing something to make it harder for them. So instead of studying 50 hours per week they might have to bump it up to 60 and completely forget about any leisure activities.</p>

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<p>As mentioned elsewhere, I see absolutely no intent to “reduce the number of Asians at UCs” as the article seems to imply is the reason behind the new policy.</p>

<p>All the article (and the other posts) is doing is making unwarranted and unprovable inferences, and using slippery slope logic to get some readers. </p>

<p>I also find it interesting that the writer is (presumably) Asian, the professor interviewed is Asian, the parent interviewed is Asian, etc. etc.</p>

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<p>How is this making it harder?.</p>

<p>If the UC system is making test scores less important, that means extra time to do other things besides studying for the SATs. </p>

<p>If SAT IIs are no longer required, there’s another load off of your back.</p>

<p>The applicants have to find a balance between ECs and academics and other unrelated commitments. I don’t see how that’s detrimental to anyone.</p>

<p>I hardly believe that Asian applicants focusing efforts on other activities and having to decide whether or not they want to make their application more appealing to the UCs or to the privates will add 10 hours of work per week to their load, or that it will decrease their numbers dramatically at UC schools.</p>

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<p>I hear you. I’m not really sure how they can make themselves better candidates. They pretty much max out with a 4.5 GPA out of high school with every honors class available. I’ll have to read the OP again and browse the interglobe webnet.</p>

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<p>“The ‘Asian-Americans’ are mad because they work so hard to overtake our schools, and now we’re doing something to make it harder for them.”
Overtake “our” schools? What the hell? ‘Asian-Americans’–what’s with the quotation marks, are you being sarcastic? Asian American’s are not part of America?
Any educated person would find this as rants stemming from jealousy and inadequacy to face the competition (it’s always easier to single out the competitor and find, at times, irrational fallacies) :P. Just like how very poor white Americans in the south always placed themselves above rich black folks in the north a century or so ago, saying that African Americans are physically (genetically) incapable, and not able to assimilate into America.
Seriously, I don’t know which Junior college you are transferring out of, but in real universities, to succeed for most majors is about studying hard, or school work in general.
Well…<br>
I know competition is hard, I know getting into college is tough, getting good grades in college especially in a competitive curved class is difficult, so instead of banging yourself in the head a million times, please feel free to blame it on the people or a generalized group of people that score better, achieve more than you do. I mean, this is the perfect time to utilize the first amendment to your benefit in this open forum–it’s human nature. Of course, not saying that this will allow you to do better on in the future, but it makes you feel special :].</p>

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<p>I’m Asian myself, so I might be baised, but here is my point of view:</p>

<p>The policy is ironic in itself, the whole point of it is so it is FAIR toward races right?</p>

<p>First of all, we Asians are awarded the acceptance to UCs base on our academic achievement, not our race. Yet, due to the policy implemented, so even with the same high academic achievement, we might not get into the UCs we WORKED for, because we’re the “majority.” So in the end, it ISN’T fair to BOTH areas of our race AND our hardworking earned excellence. Because in the end, not only we’re being punished for being Asians, we’re also being punished for working too hard, only to be rejected because what our physical appearances. </p>

<p>I can understand being the minority it isn’t fair also, but realistically, it’s because we put in MORE effort than the “minority” that we got the admission. </p>

<p>To those who disagree, I’m sorry that I work hard for an high GPA, I’m sorry that due to the nature of my environment, I am automatically more studious, and I’m very sorry if I offended anyone, but in the end, it’s the truth.</p>

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<p>I don’t think the whole point is to be fair to the races or to be unfair to Asians. I think people are making unwarranted inferences about the policy, exerting influence on the way. </p>

<p>And you need to work on your qualifying skills with that all-encompassing language in that post of yours.</p>

<p>Lastly, no one is punishing you because of your physical appearance, though physical attractiveness might be a much-needed criteria for admissions at Cal.</p>