UC Policy reduces # of Asians system wide

Transfer Students UC Transfers
41

<p>I quoted ‘asian-american’ because the person before me posted it and because i have never used it. And yes, i am a little bitter that international students and other people who barely speaky engrish have the same acceptance rate (actually a little higher) at schools like UCLA. Competition is hard because asians get their aces kicked early on if they don’t get straight A’s. They are bred for excellence. I’m human, of course i’m going to blame somebody else if every year they make it harder for me to get good grades.</p>

<p>Yes, Cal has a pretty hideous student body…from what i’ve seen.</p>

42

<p>Does anyone else get the feeling that we’re all reading two different articles?? </p>

<p>Personally, I think the main problem is that the original article is a horrible, convoluted mess of writing and research skills. There is NO factual, research-based connection between putting less weight on SAT subject tests and class rank and allowing less students from an Asian background into the UC system. If anything, it is horribly prejudiced and stereotypical (for both the article and many of the posters on this forum) to automatically assume virtually every Asian applicant’s merits lie solely in test scores and GPA. Furthermore, it is also ridiculous to assume that no other demographic has high grades and test scores.</p>

<p>Like others have said, the UC system is NOT on an anti-Asian rejection rampage. They have simply instigated a new admission policy that allows applicants to showcase a wider variety of talents than simply test-taking ability. If you do not agree with this admission system, do not apply to the public universities of California. I see absolutely NO actual research, studies, or data collection that proves there will be a significant drop in Asian enrollment in the UC campuses, let alone that this was an intentional effect of the new policy.</p>

43

<p>Maybe us whites had better start studying harder; 30 years ago it was Jew CLA not its the university of china; average white boys keep falling back but then how come I see them running everything; no matter what the grades are it seems America will remain the land of the white man; probably because we are more aggressive than the rest, scores not</p>

44

<p>I can’t believe the only one capable of understanding the article is nickthecoolest.</p>

<p>READ: This will not affect one race or another. It’ll only affect the bookworms who do nothing but study. If that happens to be Asians (stereotype if you must), then so be it. The UC doesn’t want one dimensional applicants any more. If you’re incapable of understanding this, you don’t belong at UC.</p>

45

<p>The amount of ignoramuses on this thread is appalling. </p>

<p>Thank you to those who actually read and understood the idiocy with which the article was written.</p>

46

<p>But wouldn’t getting rid of tests make acceptances into UCs more of a lottery?</p>

47

<p>this is my opinion. i’m asian myself btw.</p>

<p>asian parents force kids to go to college, therefore… there are than many more asians at every UC. that’s what i think… dunno bout u guys.</p>

48

<p>You are wrong donna.</p>

49

<p>In my opinion,Asian parents don’t FORCE their kids to go to college. They’re just more active in terms of pushing their kids academically.</p>

50

<p>minilemon: yeah force was the wrong word to use. i like your statement better. well i think more ppl need to see that asian parents push their children into higher education and that’s why there’s so many goddamn asians at the UCs!</p>

51

<p>^ It’s not only because the parents push them to higher academia… </p>

<p>The students push themselves =) Asians are smart and hardworking. Heh heh :]</p>

52

<p>What about the crazy Asians? The one’s that can’t take no for an answer? People like Azia Kim, who attended Stanford even though she was rejected from the school?</p>

<p>I don’t think I’ve ever heard of anyone ever having done that…</p>

53

<p>The current weight that the UC system places on SAT and SAT II do make admission process way harder for Blacks and Hispanics. Generally, white and asian parents, especially asian parents emphasize tremendously on doing well on these standarized testing and spends so much money to prep their kids. (I am asian working at a privte local academy as a tutor). The scores on these tests are poor indicators of one’s success in college because doing well on these tests is all about traning and how much ones practices. In the meantime, black and hispanic parents are not really supportive of these tests, let alone their not knowing the very existence of these tests. I don’t know much more income asian parents make on average as opposed to the parents of other ethnic groups, but one thing for sure, asian parents are willing to spend everything they have (selling houses, working extra hours) to train their sons and daughter in these testings.</p>

54

<p>Jesus Christ - The amount of wholly nonsensical inflammatory insults coming from both sides of this argument is truly sickening, and honestly, pathetic. Get a grip people.</p>

<p>There IS value in diversity.</p>

<p>Asians have no right be labled “Orientals”, “nerds”, etc.</p>

<p>It’s mind boggling how completely immature and detatched from reality some of you people really are.</p>

55

<p>This entire thread is ridiculous.</p>

<p>There is so much stereotyping and overgeneralizing its making me crazy (I don’t know why I wasted my time reading it). There are a few posters that have said offensive things about “you Orientals”–who says Oriental anymore besides crochety old bigots? What do driving ability, rice fields and flip-flops have to do with attending a UC?</p>

<p>When you are applying to a UC: hard work (in classes, extra-curricular activities, jobs, helping your family, etc.) matters, character matters, race DOESN’T MATTER.</p>

<p>Before you try to judge a potential UC candidate and compare their application to your own qualifications you better know their GPA, circumstances, essays, everything before making that call. Maybe you think you got rejected and think that you should have been accepted over someone else. Guess What? It doesn’t matter, and apparently, in that school’s eyes, you are wrong. There is no point in trying to put an entire race down because you feel insecure.</p>

<p>UC_Transfer: What about the crazy EVERYONE? You reference one person (who, admittedly, is probably crazy) and ask about an entire race? Well, what about the crazy white people?! How about <em>insert name of serial killer here</em>?
See how absurd I sound, that doesn’t even make sense.</p>

<p>About the article:
It is obnoxious. We should all just read the new provision, and make our own assessment because the article is a real piece. After I read it I did not understand how the UC regents are trying to reduce the admission rates for Asian-American people. Even though that might be a by-product I don’t think its a given result.
It seems like the new regulations would simply open the doors for more students to apply, which means there is more competition in numbers, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that there is more competition in the quality of applications. Hopefully, the most qualified students (in all aspects) will be accepted. </p>

<p>Also, some people have argued that by eliminating the need for SAT II’s Asian-Americans will actually have to volunteer for things and help other people. I know plenty of Asian people that volunteer and get stellar grades. I know plenty of AMERICAN people that volunteer and get stellar grades.
Having extra-curriculars and volunteer work is already a component of the application and something they look at now, it just might have more weight in 2012.</p>

<p>w/e sorry I rambled</p>

56

<p>zutopiafan:<br>
I reference that case, because to my knowledge there’s never been anything like it in recent history. When a big school like Stanford can be completely caught with their pants around their ankles as in the Azia Kim situation, you know we’re looking at incredible lunacy the likes of which we haven’t seen. It speaks/reflects poorly on Asian-American culture, which many on these boards admit to, tends to push kids to succeed at all costs. </p>

<p>Serial killers? Cho Seung-Hui ring a bell? Just fyi, serial killers have historically/statistically been white males. Just saying.</p>

<p>What gets me is the alarmist attitude being expressed by the Asian community in the article. People are getting angry about possibly getting discriminated against? Try spending a day as a Black/Latino male, you’ll soon realize what real discrimination is all about.</p>

57

<p>Turns out a lot of you are dumb. Please show me where anything was said about people of asian descent being potentially denied admission based on their race. </p>

<p>By lowering the prerequisites to apply (not be admitted) they stop people from being ****ed they weren’t even allowed to apply with “good” grades.</p>

58

<p>They should just admit less international students. I agree there are too many Asians at UC’s, they are just statistically over represented due to gaming the system. UC demographics should reflect the makeup of california.</p>

59

<p>^ It shouldn’t reflect California demographics…simply doing that would cause the UC reputation to go down the drain if unqualified people go into the UC system and come out useless or they might just drop out/get kicked out. Although I agree that less international students should get in. By the way why necessarily should it reflect the demographics in your opinion? If you guys give answers like well we pay taxes…well actually the wealthiest 3% pay over 60% of California’s income tax.</p>

60

<p>Why should less international students get in? I was an international student (from New Zealand) I speak fluent English and probably have rhetoric and essay writing skills higher than many Americans who apply. International students get charged so much to attend UCs so the system kind of needs them as a cash cow. I think you are suggesting they should admit less international students who do not speak fluent english?</p>