<p>You're saying that CC financial+managerial won't transfer over to UCLA? Another reason to go to UCB then...</p>
<p>My friend who's a biz econ major at UCLA told me that the financial and managerial accounting courses are being changed back as prerequisites, effective spring 2006. mgmt 1a and 1b are back, and mgmt 100 will no longer be offered.</p>
<p>Go to UCLA and do the Bus. Econ with emphasis in Accounting. You'll have a job after you graduate and a starting salary averaging 50K. The Big 4 and other semi big firms do on-campus recruitment at UCSB, UCLA, and USC. They hire a lot of students.</p>
<p>With an econ degree you'll be forced to get a masters and you might end up being a professor because you're competing with other graduates that have related degrees like Int'l Business, Bus. Admin, etc.. Accounting is more specialized. Being an Accountant sounds cooler than being an Economist. =)</p>
<p>Maxx99, Econ classes are much harder than Accounting classes. I would think UCB's Econ major would have a lot more Econ classes required.</p>
<p>you think so? makes sense, but I heard that bizecon is really tough and it's hard to get a good GPA</p>
<p>well UCB is under the semester system. And, UCLA Biz-econ is the same as regular econ w/accounting classes.</p>
<p>is it true that biz econ is super competitive? hard to get a good GPA?</p>
<p>based purely on speculation from the admissions websites.</p>
<p>ucla biz econ has like a 18% admit rate versus ucb econ's 22% or so.</p>
<p>yeah, but I'm wondering how hard the actual major is, compared to UCB</p>
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<p>You make it sound pretty easy. Is it that easy?</p>
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<p>But not at Berkeley?</p>
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<p>Forced is pretty strong, but is the UCLA Bus Econ in such a different position?</p>
<p>As far as how competitive it is, I don't know- is it really that different from UCLA Bus econ? But I would guess econ at UCLA is less competitive (a misnomer, but that sort of concept) than business economics because the stronger students tend to choose business economics if they can. To some extent it would be like Haas and econ at Berkeley, I imagine.</p>
<p>Thanks for your input DRab, glad you replied, I read many of your older posts. I'm really having a hard time deciding.</p>
<p>Without considering all the other factors like area, weather etc...do you think cal econ is a good choice that will give me a good chance to get a job right after college? Or does the added business part at UCLA make a significant difference?</p>
<p>Let me begin by saying I don't know that much about the subject. Now, really, I think that UCLA Business economics might have a slight advantage overall, and most certainly in some fields of work. Recruiters know that the best business/market type students at UCLA are probably in business economics. I imagine that this leads to some competition for professor letters and GPAs, and internships. I think some internships will be for business econ students only. Here, some internships seem to be basically for Haas students only. I also think that business economics will be more competitive than Berkeley econ, although it will probalby be similar. I would ask someone with more knowledge in this area than me, but this is what I think.</p>
<p>Econ will be fine, and you will be able to get a good job, especially if you do some internshipes during the year/especially summer.</p>
<p>Makes perfect sense, UCLA biz econ has several advantages for me, but I just can't say no to Berkeley (not yet), I've been there a few times and liked it a lot...</p>
<p>Go to Berkeley. :)</p>
<p>maaan, this is so tough...I just talked to wife again, and she likes the UCLA more and more now, we both change our minds daily...</p>
<p>. . . . Berkeley . . . .</p>
<p>What do you like about each? Dislike? Worries?</p>
<p>Berkeley econ:
Pros:
reputation, top notch econ program, area, people, and it's BERKELEY :)</p>
<p>cons:
main one: it's "only" an econ degree, worries it would be considered inferior by some employers, can't take any other classes besides econ, no minors or specializations, hard for my wife to find a job (she's a senior graphic designer), weather is minor negative for me as well</p>
<p>UCLA biz econ:
Pro: program may be superior, lots of business connections, seems easy to get a decent paying job, easier for us to move to (we live in San Diego), highly regarded degree in the So Cal area, I already took 2 semesters of accounting, weather and beaches,</p>
<p>cons:
well, hard to say, but we may move overseas on some point (Germany) or to the east coast and that could be easier with a degree from Berkeley, since everyone knows it, City not as nice as the Bay Area (for us), traffic</p>
<p>that's all I can think of right now...oh yeah, I liked the Cal welcome package with velcro :)</p>
<p>If you do plan on moving to Germany, I've heard that the name difference will do a lot for you. I do imagine it would be harder getting a graphics design job here than LA, but I think there is a lot of stuff in SF and around the bay area. Has she started looking? </p>
<p>What sort of job do you plan on looking for after graduation? Don't certain jobs prefer a well rounded economics degree? </p>
<p>As to being able to only take econ classes, I was under the impression that additional classes can be taken as long as you can graduate. I think that you could enroll in some Haas courses or something if you can fit it into your schedule, although I might be wrong. You should call and find out. By when do you have to decide?</p>
<p>I think you're right, one can take Haas classes with prior approval. </p>
<p>As far as jobs go, I just heard from many people that an undergraduate economics degree isn't preferable. Some even said it's useless by itself.</p>
<p>My wife has a cool website for her portfolio presentation, but we're gonna beef it up this weekend and then she'll start looking. But I'm pretty sure the Bay Area job market for Graphic Designers is pretty saturated.</p>
<p>With the little research I've done (since I'm planning on UCB Econ)...</p>
<p>Econ may not be as job direct as Business/Accounting or Engineering, but I really wouldn't call it a useless major. About a year ago Forbes/CNN Money listed it as one of the top paying majors, so regardless of whether it's top paying today or not I think we can conclude that it's not outright useless. Some people say that Berkeley undergraduate is useless compared to HYPS, but that's just people talking. I think it's just that people see Econ as one of the strong stepping stones to MBAs/Law, so then they conclude that an Econ BA is only worth it if you take that path. But you're going to have a Berkeley degree regardless and that's going to give you an edge on the thousands of OTHER graduates who aren't HYPS. If you think about it realistically and not idealistically, compared to the majority of concentrations that colleges offer, Econ really isn't that bad.</p>
<p>That said, I still think that Biz Econ has the edge jobwise, but I don't think that it's going to make or break you.</p>