<p>Eiffelguy87: You say they do matter, what is the argument? She was just one case; a minority case. The majority of businesses out there do scout these rankings and tend to choose those of the upper-tier; no matter how bias or flawed the ranking may be.</p>
<p>Also the supposed "ease" of UCLA academics</p>
<p>Obviously, you are either not a college student, or you don't pay much attention to the world around you.</p>
<p>UCLA is not known for "easy" academics. No, it's not the burning the candle at both ends experience of Cal, but it's not a damn Cal State.</p>
<p>You people are all so caught up in your little numbers game and so few of you seem to worry about what matters- YOU.</p>
<p>HEY, we have like the same name! Almost. Hahaha</p>
<p>I demand that you cease and desist in your usage of the clever combination of your "A name" and UCLA. Otherwise, I'll have to tell everyone you jocked my style.</p>
<p>;-)</p>
<p>Or maybe smart minds just think alike. =]</p>
<p>Can't argue that logic.</p>
<p>To all of you UCLA haters on this thread, why ya'll have to be playa' hatin'?</p>
<p>No, seriously, you guys are missing the point. We're all supposed to hate STANFORD, not each other. The only time Cal and UCLA should care is when the Rose Bowl is at stake. Other than that, we should be like siblings. Very large, overly bureaucratic, bloated by waste, large lecture filled siblings.</p>
<p>How are UCLA and Berkeley different again?</p>
<p>You know what?</p>
<p>Get your own damn fight song. Get your own damn bear. Get your own damn colors. That's right. There's only 1 California.</p>
<p>still, you have to admit UCLA is overhyped. its programs are comparable to other state schools like Texas, Washington, Georgia Tech, UIUC, U Michigan. you don't talk about those schools beating Cal. Yet ppl talk about UCLA > Cal? Senseless. What if we transported UCLA to Davis and swapped the campuses. Who the hell would want to go to the new campus even though its so good. It's just cuz its LA and whoah LAKERS.... (they suck Warriors > Lakers) and omg Dodgers (Giants own and A's > Angels) and yay Hollywood. </p>
<p>No, don't hate UCLA. Don't hate Cal either. We are like siblings, but when it comes down to choosing between each other choose the right school to attend. Choose for the school not just name. Name gives UCLA an inflated status while school quality comparison won't give it the same edge it has.</p>
<p>"Name gives UCLA an inflated status while school quality comparison won't give it the same edge it has."</p>
<p>Please elaborate.</p>
<p>qwerasdf, you sound insecure about your decision. Otherwise, you'd not be up in arms about UCLA's reputation.</p>
<p>No, UCLA probably does not have Cal's reputation overall. Some departments do better, most do not. However, you act as if there's this insurmountable gap in quality. That's simply not true. I have done just as well as my Cal friends in getting interviews for serious jobs. The UCLA students out here in UCDC do just as well as Cal students in getting good internships.</p>
<p>Maybe if you moved UCLA to another location, it wouldn't do as well, who knows? But you know just as well as I do that counterfactuals are fallacies of the worst kind. We'll never know. You ought to stop running around on these boards self-fellating your Berkeley self, and instead provide insight as to what strengths and weaknesses each school offers based on your position at Cal.</p>
<p>I mean, if someone's goal is to work at JPL, for example, UCLA might just be the better choice. For American politics, UCLA is the better choice. For English, I'd go with Cal. I'd go with Cal for biology.</p>
<p>But really, is the difference between top 5 and top 10 that different department wise as an undergraduate? My magic 8-ball says, "Nope."</p>
<p>If you moved Cal to Davis and swapped campuses, do you think as many people would still want to go? </p>
<p>If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bus.</p>
<p>I got into both schools, but am in love with UCLA. =) This thread is more attacking each school, than informational...but still, which would you guys choose for an econ major? (Keep in mind, I got into Cal for spring 06')</p>
<p>Well, since you're likely to change majors anyway (undergrads are a finicky lot) I'd say go to whichever campus you'll enjoy more for the overall experience.</p>
<p>Give Cal a lot of consideration though, it's an incredibly academic, vibrant place with brilliant people everywhere. That's not to say that UCLA isn't filled with smarties, but Cal's atmosphere, for whatever reason is much more "academic."</p>
<p>Oh, and do not come to UCLA for the "college town." There is none.</p>
<p>What if you moved moved Cal to Riverside and Davis to San Diego and UCLA stayed where it was but Irvine moved to Berkeley? Would you still go to USC?</p>
<p>I suppose this doesn't make sense either.
"If it doesn't make sense, don't take offense" </p>
<p>I hope some here realize when someone is having a little fun. Lighten up and enjoy the process. If you have already made your college choice and are happy with it, then good for you. Personally I have not decided yet. It's down to UCLA and UCSB. I know UCLA is rated higher academically but that's no my only consideration. I have received some good advice on this board some people are just too passionate for me.</p>
<p>Im in secure? I'm a Cal student. I've visited both schools. I have friends at UCLA and lots of friends at Cal too.</p>
<p>If you swapped Cal and Davis, not as MANY people would go, but the change wouldn't be as big. Think about it. If you take city vs city. Berkeley vs. LA or Oakland vs LA. Who the hell would go to NorCal then?</p>
<p>I'm saying LA is OVERHYPED because it is in LA. Tell me people are like OMFG ITS BERKELEY THAT CITY IS SO FAMOUS AND SO COOL I GOTTA GO TO CAL NOW. No, its more like OMFG ITS LA I GOTTA GO TO UCLA CUZ HOLLYWOOD IS THERE....</p>
<p>shyboy: I'm just saying that if you look at why UCLA is "highly talked about." It's really cuz of its name and location and etc. That gives it half the boost in "popularity." If you just compare program strength, school quality, I don't think that gives it as much popularity. Otherwise, other schools that I mentioned like UT Austin, U Mich, U Washington should be just as popular....</p>
<p>Both schools can take you anywhere you want to go in life. Opportunities are open, and in both you will come across people from a myraid of backgrounds and cultures. Both will look impressive at any job interview as long as you have excelled in your surroundings (Berk or LA). Also, in terms of academics, it really comes down to the individual program. Berk has an edge in many, but overall they are ranked 4 spaces apart (US News Rankings). In my opinion, UCLA is not overhyped. When I told friends from the east coast and in Europe about my acceptance it was respected and looked upon as a school with international recognition. Cal might have more of this, who knows, but if you got into both schools give yourself a huge congratulations. Feel lucky that you even get to choose, and enjoy the moment. Visit both campuses and base your decision on fit - meet with students and get their opinion and do a little research of your own.</p>
<p>I've only visited LA so far, but in talking with students one thing I noticed was the overwhelming excitment they had to be a part of the school. That is something I value, but hey, just my opinion. Just remember that this part isn't supposed to be the stressful part...=) You can't go wrong with either one.</p>
<p>qwerasdf,</p>
<p>If that's your imperative, fine. UCLA has great academics, but you seem hellbent on stroking your ego.</p>
<p>I'm just not going to bother with that particular issue. However...</p>
<p>UCLA is known for the strength of its research and the quality of its graduates. It sends many many undergrads to the best graduate programs nationwide. There are UCLA grads in all walks of life.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I did not choose LA for the location. I know many more who didn't, either. I chose LA because the program sounded right for me. You seem to have gotten the idea that everyone sees UCLA just as that "Hollywood School" and that's not true. For many, it's that place to mingle with great professors, incredible students, and love it while you're at it. So's Cal.</p>
<p>Lets just move on from this stupid debate.</p>
<p>Us Cal students dont need to degrade the second best UC campus that will help us defend against the real enemies: Stanford, USC, and UMich (after all, UMich and UVa are ranked between Cal and UCLA).</p>
<p>Both campuses are underfunded somewhat, compared to the super rich USC and Stanford. Hell, once Berkeley and UCLA get out of the UC system, they will be able to raise more money and accept better students.</p>
<p>UVA is a good school, but I just don't see the grad students producing much in any field.</p>
<p>I think its undergrad program is fantastic, but grad programs are seriously lacking there, if only considering the supposed greatness of its overall program.</p>
<p>I have a question. Where do all you people get your info about which school is better in which departments? Obviously, for grad school, there's something called USNews, but for undergrad, how do you know that Berkeley's English is better, or UCLA's Am Politics is better, etc etc?</p>
<p>Actually, for my dept. I just go based on the reputation of the people in the department. It just happens that currently, the UCLA American Politics sub-department has some of the best and brightest working there. </p>
<p>USNews rankings are a good cross reference, but go by the words of your professors more. Oh, and placement. The quality of a department depends greatly on how well it places its grads.</p>