UCB worth 50K OOS tuition per year?

[oldbear]

<p>**Ibanks and consulting and most prestigious jobs only recruit out of certain schools. At Cal with an Econ major, you are guaranteed at least some interviews with top firms by doing just average. **</p>

<p>In the current economy, you’d have to be a lot better than average in order for it to be worth it. Top firms (e.g., ibanks) aren’t going to look at you unless you have a resume in the top 20% of the class, at least. The top 10% is probably more realistic. Remember that Berkeley graduates ~500 econ majors a year and 300+ Haas majors (career center). Also remember that you’re competing against every other school’s graduating class. Almost everyone is looking for the same jobs. If your grades and EC’s are weaker than 300+ of Econ/Haas, then you’re probably going to have trouble breaking the 50K barrier.</p>

<p>If you think that you will be in the top tier, then I’d say it’s definitely worth it, because the top firms do pay attention to Cal a lot more than to many other non-HYPS schools. However, if you think that you’d be anywhere in the 1-70% range, then it’d be wiser to go to a smaller, less competitive school, even if it’s not top tier. You’ll get more support, a rarer degree, and a better chance at being at the top. This all leads to better job prospects.</p>

<p>A big thing I’ve learned since graduating: outside of the super elite top companies, your school doesn’t matter much, from a hiring standpoint. It’ll give you a slight boost, sure, but if the other guy has a 4.0 from Chico and was a frat president, and you don’t have either? Well, they’re not gonna care about how much harder Berkeley was or how your SAT was 500 points higher that his (again, this only applies to non-top companies).</p>

<p>**It’s stupid to compare it to a state school based on cost alone. I’d choose to pay 50k at Cal than 0 at Alaska State(not sure if this even exists). There are simply greater returns in the long run compared to the cost now. **</p>

<p>If you knew for sure that you’d be at the top, I’d say sure. However, if you anticipated being dead in the middle average at Cal, then I think the other state school wins easily. Let’s say that the other school is Arizona State. Provided that you could fit into its culture, ASU would be a much better decision. I’d assume that the average Berkeley student could blow the pants off of the top ASU student, work and grades-wise, so you could easily be in the top 1%. You say, “It’s ASU, who cares?” but trust me, if you’re in the top 1% at any school, you will get rewarded. You also get a stronger social scene, more sex, and cheaper rent. Besides the herpes, why not?</p>

[FlyCat]

<p>I wont have loans, I already have the money. Its only how I should wisely spend it… gahhh.</p>

[sakky]

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And, about that time when I visited Dartmouth, the business school (Tuck) was in a very ordinary, less appealing facilities. Tuck back then was nothing compared to Haas. Let’s face it, the campus landscape of Dartmouth isn’t really that gorgeous. The buildings are ordinary for a NE private school. Go inside the Asian Center at Berkeley and you’d be amazed how well-kept the things there are, and how beautiful the interior is. Even the major libraries at Berkeley are awesome and jaw dropping. I had chills the first time I saw them. But then again, I was always impressed with Berkeley since high school, and never really was attracted to NE schools, except MIT. As for Dartmouth, there wasn’t anything that stood on Dartmouth’s ground that can rival those structures found at Berkeley, to be quite frank about it. But then again, Dartmouth has quite a few student population.

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<p>Uh, so you declaim Dartmouth for its relatively ordinary architecture and campus grounds, declaring that Berkeley’s campus is better in every respect…but then admit your attraction to MIT? What’s wrong with this picture? MIT has numerous impressive features, but - let’s face it - a gorgeous campus landscape isn’t exactly one of them. This seems to be especially true of the MIT Sloan School, which is arguably the ugliest of any of the top business school campuses.</p>

[sakky]

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There is no distinction between Berkeley’s grad and undergrad degrees in terms of academic prestige to the sight of top employers, for the truth is, there could only be one Berkeley degree. The doors that are opened for grad graduates are the same doors that are opened for undergrad graduates.

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<p>If that’s really true, then, frankly, that’s quite sad news for the Berkeley graduate students. </p>

<p>Let’s take a case in point. According to USNews, Berkeley has the #1 ranked Sociology graduate department in the world. Many (almost certainly most) newly minted Berkeley sociology PhD graduates go on to desirable sociology academic faculty positions at strong universities or nice research jobs with the government or the private sector. </p>

<p>But the same cannot really be said for the sociology undergrads, many of whom end up in jobs that, frankly, aren’t really that great. For example, I see one who became a hotel front desk clerk. I see one who became a clerk at Bear Necessities. </p>

<p><a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/Soc.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/Soc.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The reason seems to be clear. To complete a PhD in sociology from Berkeley, you have to be one of the very best young sociologists in the entire world. Even if you barely graduated from the program, you would still be one of the very best. You clearly know the sociology literature well and have been well trained in the latest research methods. </p>

<p>But the same cannot be said for the sociology undergrads. I don’t want to be overly harsh, but let’s face it, the sociology undergrad program is a creampuff major populated by numerous students who, frankly, don’t really care about sociology or any academic discipline for that matter and just want an easy pathway to graduation. {To the sociology majors out there reading this who are contemplating an objection, come on guys, you know it’s true.} As a point of contrast, the worst graduate coming out of the Berkeley sociology PhD program this year is still one of the world’s top young sociology researchers, but the worst graduate coming out of the undergrad program (i.e. the guy scraping by with a 2.0) probably knows or cares very little for sociology.</p>

<p>Even the ‘worst’ Berkeley sociology PhD graduate will nevertheless have plenty of access to the Ibanking or consulting jobs if he wants that. I doubt that any bank or consultancy will say: “I see that you have a PhD from Berkeley, but your grad-school grades or your specific research papers were not that good, so we’re not going to hire you.” However, that ‘worst’ sociology undergrad will have no such access to those sort of recruiters. Nor should he.</p>

[FellowCCViewer]

<p>no tuition residency. PM me if you want the sad story of how i thought i was a resident.</p>

<p>consider whether or not you like huge class where no one cares about you, and self-studying is the best way to go (public schools) or small interactive classes (private schools)</p>

<p>that’s pretty much it.</p>

<p>i feel like i’m much more prepared for the real world after going to a public school.</p>