@Papa2boyz - did you read the post? ALL students, not just “hooked.” If you believe that extraordinarily qualified unhooked kids don’t end up subject to academic probation or remediation, you are very much mistaken.
@JBStillFlying True, also remember everyone that the only hooks are:
- Varsity Athletics AND great performance in it (some medals and/or records) or National/International level athletics
- URMs
- First Gens
- Arguably Race (dont kill me anyone in the comments pls)
- Legacies (especially for Ivies)
Nothing else counts, as even international competition winners (IMO and such), perfect scorers (grades, test scores), NGO starters, research publishers, leaderships-in good actual company (along with a good important job/experience), and people writing ultra unique experiences and personalized exotic, but even true stories/ideas dont get in many a while.
Siblings count too, more than many realize. In fact if the first sibling has a scholarship, the second one gets it too.
I agree with @paxfobiscum
Siblings get admissions and finaid benefits, though its not officially or legally documented. Its anecdotally proven true by many.
The question of fairness is up for debate.
Well, siblings are probably going to get around the same fin. aid. at least, for obvious reasons . . .
@JBStillFlying True, unless there’s an income difference on the students end
@TheGuy1 - True. My D worked throughout 2017 but my son didn’t. She might be on the hook for summer support as a result. We’ll have to wait and see what her Fin. Aid. package says.
Actually, another situation that comes to mind would be if the older sib. is living off campus. They do reduce your fin. aid. when that happens to reflect the lower COA, though not sure of the details.
My first daughter is a Univ Scholar (Merit) and she is receiving a really good sized amount. My second daughter (who just got accepted) is also a Scholar and she is getting almost 20% more than her sister.
@paxfobiscum is your 2nd daughter getting Merit or need-based or both?
@JBStillFlying
This is the line I was responding to:
I have a good friend whose son is at U Chicago. He is an unhooked boy who had outstanding stats inline with the stats U Chicago publishes. He has a lot of friends that are URMs that didn’t have the stats he had and they definitely struggle more than him.
International science and technology competitions matter…ALOT. I have a friend who’s daughter was accepted off cycle (before RD notification date) by Ivies once it was announced that she won a prestigious national science competition. Imagine getting that call in mid February!
@Papa2boyz While that helps, it only helps giving a uniqueness to the app, if the adcom finds no use for it in the incoming class, its nothing u can do, but ull be sure to learn from that great experience.
The only ones immune in this case are the IMO, IChO, IBO, ICO, IOI type winners. Not even USAMO and stuff guarantee a spot.
That level indicates a good use directly in the intercollegiate quiz teams, which no other competition does.
There are many ik who won ISEF’s, Siemens, Regenerons, and got in no Ivy, or MIT-stanford-UChic-Berkeley types and had to go to reaches.
The issue here is again, the worth being determined by the adcom, and there being many intl competitions having a similar notoriety or stance for awards and stuff. So there are quite some winning them, which are equally good hence indistinguishable in many cases for top colleges at least.
Imagine if 20 Regeneron Semifinalists applied to harvard: very possible… and there was another kid who has an IMO medal. There’s only 1 kid off the group that can be taken in. All else being the same, its obvious who’ll get the admission package at the end.
@Papa2boyz at #1129 - yes; however, one doesn’t need to be URM to struggle at UChicago, as the rest of that post indicates. By the way, which “remedial” courses were you referring to earlier?
@Papa2boyz not sure what you meant by this, responding to my post:
“Wow. Read what you are writing. Prestigious universities now have the obligation of offering remedial classes to justify “hooked” admits? Imagine how that makes extraordinarily qualified unhooked rejects feel?”
I wasn’t saying UC had any kind of obligation to offer remedial classes. I was just giving some insight into what I know about current students there from different backgrounds and how I think the school is committed to helping all of their students succeed, WITHOUT lowering any standards. I was very impressed to hear how they tried to help this boy, even though in the end it didn’t work out (but has worked out for many others).
I think if schools are going to try to recruit students from all backgrounds, they should offer the kind of support U Chicago does. I’m not sure all schools do that. But they obviously really cared about this kid and did what they could to have it work out for him. And I think he ended up leaving on a high note, not resentful of the experience in anyway, but stronger for it. I think he just decided to attend a school closer to home that was a better fit.
Since everyone roughly but not exactly knows the motive behind recruiting for diversity and achieving it, we can all safely say, and by my and others experience definitely, that there is no ‘remedial’ sort of class offered just for URMs and stuff. They obviously have to compete in the level of courses (grad/undergrad, as some schools give grad choices for UGs, or the 300 level courses-ish and above based on term req.) that they enroll in, and with whoevers their classmate. What results obtained is completely upto their level of effort and understanding.
Yes, and there are some majors and classes that are more or less rigorous than others and in the end one would expect that students would find the right major and combination of classes. I would think the academic advising at a school like UC is very strong.
@collegemomjam True, as is for all schools, at leas the top ones.
Course enrollment is total freedom on the student, and there are unanimously easier courses in many/all fields, but almost always for lesser credits.
A good strategy is to fill up an avg. term requirement and equal no. of easy and hard classes. THis optimizes social life, fun, and all other things while being healthy and concentrating on work.
Too much and you may very well die, and too less and its all a joke to u.
looks like some one got off the waitlist:
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/22208912/#Comment_22208912
@palsun For a college like UChicago, its ultra rare, but then again, there’s no adhere-able trend to this WL-admitting. No one got off the past few years, but that doesnt mean it’ll happen now.
All that aside, isnt the WL result scheduled to come out from May 1 on? Why’s it come now?
I just know that the UC’s have started their WL decision process, as confirmed by reliable sources. Idk about UChic tho.
The others (Ivies, MIT, Stanford etc.) havent started either (confirmed).