Even with ED their advantage is by a few points. I wouldn’t be surprised if the class of 2021 had a higher yield than Penn. It is such a strange point to raise when he could have just as easily mentioned Penn’s superior career outcomes.
yeah having a quarter of your students ready to murder each other for a finance job will lead to “superior career outcomes”…
intellectualism may supposedly be dead at u of c but we still are miles away from how bad it could be
It’s lots of fun to debate the relative merits of great universities that are very, very similar in hundreds of ways and very different in maybe a dozen. But it would be ridiculous to assert that there is some set of measurable criteria on which everyone could agree that would let you conclude that Penn, Chicago, or Columbia was better or worse than any of the others. What’s more, while I think someone could make a good case that Harvard or Stanford is the greatest university in the world, the differences between them and Penn, etc., not to mention Yale or Princeton, are not such that any individual undergraduate student would necessarily be affected by them. Depending on what he or she wants and values, a particular well-informed student could easily rank those seven universities (and some others) in just about any order imaginable, for that student. Furthermore, except in a handful of fields, a particular student wouldn’t suffer in any meaningful respect if he or she had to attend Choice # 7 vs. Choice # 1.
@NotVerySmart Then look at just RD yield rates 
still pretty comparable (oh forgot chicago does not release ea, rd yields, wonder why?) Also cross-admits not really affected by this. Id like to see how many applicants Chcago could get with ED.
@tutututututuru I did not start anything about Penn, just responded to a comment about Penn you made, after i just pointed out the simple truth that Chicago is simply not on HYPSM level in terms of perception You make Chicago look so secure and mature
@Trickster2212 If chicago was secure enough to release EA yield then we would know if it is true or not 
don’t get ahead of yourself, Booth has a long road before it can truly overtake Wharton (holy trinity still is HSW, a year s ranking is worth nothing against decades and decades of rankings and perception) ;). btw for an intellectual powerhouse, it has not been doing that great in Rhodes scholars lately. here is your kiss btw :-*
@HydeSnark if only that was an accurate and not at all a misinformed stereotypical view of Penn. I guess not at all unlike the whole fun goes to die thing about Chicago.
@JHS of course actual differences between all these schools are at most marginal, and non-consequential. still there is an entrenched perception of HYPSM vs Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Duke etc, which manifests itself in they way cross-admits choose between these colleges, and the brand strength of these schools.
I was just bursting the bubble of an overconfident Chicagoan that Chicago is simply not on the level of HYPSM when it comes to perception no matter how hard you wish it to be. But of course everyone showed their true insecure colors and attacked me about Penn (which i did not even mention to begin with, and never said Penn is better than Chicago or anything of that nature).
Bye
Oh yes, we’re the insecure ones, not the Penn booster on the UChicago forum who just wrote half a common app essay complete with sassy emojis to defend Ben Franklin’s honor or whatever
Personally I think “Where fun comes to die” contains far more than a modicum of truth about UChicago, so by that standard Penn is exactly as soulless as I think it is.
@Penn95 You’re just 
upset that you 
are not living the life of the mind <3
A defining aspect of University of Pennsylvania graduates appears to be their insecurity. of sample posts that Penn95 has posted, one includes moaning about why Penn is ranked comparatively lower on a global ranking of reputation among academics. Penn is at 16, compared to Chicago, at 11, which Penn95 has duly complained about. In fact, this reflects reality by the way… NO global ranking of Universities puts the University of Pennsylvania above the University of Chicago. In Times Higher Education, Penn is 17, Chicago is at 10. In the Center for World University Rankings, Penn is 14 while Chicago is at 8. In the Academic Ranking of World Universities, Chicago is 10 while Penn is lower at 18. Notice a pattern? In the recently released QS rankings, Chicago is 10 while Penn is at 18. In all of these rankings, Chicago is higher, but it hardly matters at the Undergraduate level - or any level, really. Some people seem to want to dispute these rankings as offensive to their existence and get offended when not everyone seems to think their institution is as wonderful as they themselves believe.
The one thing that Penn graduates talk about when naming good things about Penn is that Penn graduates have one of the highest starting salaries in the nation (from sending disproportionate numbers of people into Finance). Apparently reproducing members of a class that is nakedly and openly corrupt and has harmed American Democracy is now a point of pride.
The turn this thread has taken would make me not want to attend EITHER Chicago or Penn. Sheesh.
Regarding post #9, Yale had been miscalculated and should place 6th.
I ran this for a few more prep schools and a few Universities and here are my numbers for universities with the most prep school kids for the ones listed.
Harvard
Columbia
Penn
Cornell
Brown
Chicago
Yale
Stanford
Princeton
Dartmouth
Duke
MIT
Who cares about prep schools with rich dumb jocks? UChicago should be using IMSA, InMSA, Stuyvessant, Bronx Science, TJ and other comparable institutions as feeder schools and increase the population of philosopher-scientists and scientist-philosophers. This is the niche where UChicago dominates just about every university in the universe.
Well, they are not all just “rich dumb jocks”. For example Philips Andover’s average SAT score is 2112. And its neighbor, Philips Exeter, is known for attracting some of the best math students in the country.
re:FStratford
as an alum of stuy and chicago i’d be interested in how the college is faring from stuyvesant currently. in early 2000’s it was not a very popular destination.
Stuy sends roughly 15-20 kids per class to uchicago now
that’s like a 20x jump lol,
removing the 7 apps per student certainly helped but some of that has to be on the college side
@Penn95 Booth is for all intensive purposes a peer of HSW at this point by prestige and job placement. The reason that UChicago has so few Rhodes scholars is simply because not as many people apply for the program and the grade deflation inherent to the school makes it hard to be as high achieving and well rounded on paper as they want. In a given harvard class you’ll probably have something like 100 people apply given the proven success of the school in getting scholars whereas with uchicago its likely much lower
(a) At least as of a few years ago, Chicago was way up there for Rhodes Scholars,. Not quite as way up there as Harvard or Yale, but punching considerably above its weight at the time. There was a longtime poster on this forum, newmassdad, whose daughter was a Rhodes Scholar from Chicago.
(b) I think Harvard and Yale, and Stanford, too, still do a much better job of enrolling potential Rhodes Scholars. Chicago does a great job of supporting its candidate, but then so do lots of other colleges.
@omguchicago I think you mean for all intents and purposes. Not really. At least not yet. If it spends another decade or so ranked in the top 3 and somehow it gains more international prominence it probably will. The cross admit split is still a landslide for Wharton though. Just like the cross admit split between Wharton vs H/S is a landslide for H/S.
@neweducation lol well better insecure than having delusions of grandeur Chicago has its strengths which are better reflected in most ranking criteria and Penn has its own. I say again, i never said one school is better than the other, or that somehow rankings matter at this level.
I simply pointed out that Chicago does not have the prestige or perception that HYPSM do, as someone on here was claiming. That is just a truth. I never attacked Chicago or sth jeez. People just can’t hear the truth and start attacking me. (Talk about insecurity @HydeSnark …) Don’t shoot the messenger. Peace y’all.
@Penn95 you certainly say goodbye a lot.