UChicago trip report

<p>Columbus Day weekend is a (short-lived) tradition of Open House at UChicago. My husband took S1 there four years ago, which was probably the 1st or 2nd time UC formally had this event. From H's perspective, it is completely different and MUCH more organized. The upside of this weekend is less traffic because of the government holiday, the downside is it's the weekend of the Chicago marathon and the city was packed with people. </p>

<p>Over the three days, I often thought that I could easily believe we were secretly transported to a Hollywood movie set of the quintissential classic university. It is that beautiful.</p>

<p>Saturday. Our alumnus friend had told us to go to campus, walk walk walk, go to Seminary Coop bookstore and Medici's. The bookstore is absolutely amazing, I could spend way more than I could afford in there. It's in the basement of the UCh Seminary, and is a rabbit warren maze of alcoves and dead-end halls full of books, floor to ceiling, and is the textbook vendor for the core humanities and soc sci courses. I wish there was one in Baltimore. Went to Medici's, the avowed local hangout, for lunch. On weekends filled with prof emeriti types and visitors mostly, the students are there during the week. It is the absolute ultimate in intellectual college type hang-out, sort of beatnik (if any of you are old enough to understand that term). Brick walls covered with graffiti, as were the wooden tabletops. I could easily imagine Friedman, Rand and Grinstein hanging out here debating free markets. No kidding. S2 MUCH impressed.</p>

<p>Sunday. Went downtown after the serious part of the marathon was over, took a Chicago architecture walking tour, looked at all the things that had appeared since we lived there 20 years ago. </p>

<p>Monday. UCh for the day. The introductory welcome presentation was very interesting--a senior faculty member (Soc/Anth) spoke about the essential character of the Chicago core, and how it differed from other universities. It was, in a funny way, very reassuring to parents especially. He made it clear that this is not a technical or career prep school, but yet offered more flexibility than the 'great books' campuses. After the welcome there were lots of panel discussions on various topics to choose from, plus tours, repeated throughout the day, followed by a final student panel for questions only. The kids had a chance to sign up and attend a class of their choice. The campus is pure gothic revival; most buildings have spires and gargoyles, and many have adjoining cloisters and hidden courtyards. They are beautifully planned and well maintained. The dining hall where we lunched looked like a chapel and turned out to have originally been a gymnasium(!). Although the dormitories are mostly huge buildings, they are internally divided into "houses", and every house has tables reserved for them at the main dining hall. There are a few more modern buildings inserted here and there, but with the exception of a large dormitory complex they were true to the original architecture. As we walked around, we agreed that the setting, in and of itself, was enough to inspire academic industriousness.</p>

<p>On the main undergraduate campus, the reality belies the statistics for undergrads outnumber graduate students about 2:1. We were vehemently reassured that 85+% of classes were taught by professors, and that all the graduate teaching assistants were ABD, and had been especially trained and mentored for teaching. They told us that there was ALWAYS a professor in charge, and that they had office hours. I verified this with a student I stopped on campus. She told me that in fact she had had a TA from China she couldn't understand, but that she had just gone to the professor's office hours, and that he was delighted to see her (so much so that she wound up hanging out there). They claim the classes are kept small, and in fact the Humanities Core class that S sat in on only had 6 students.</p>

<p>The student panel was full of light-heartedness, and the audience asked hard questions. As I remember, the first was "What should we make of the UCh reputation that it is 'the place where fun comes to die' ?" The response from the panel was bemusement, as in "What we do here IS fun". This was in direct contrast to what H & S1 got 4 years earlier where the panel members acted as if they were trying to scare off potential applicants through horror stories. Every member of the panel answered forthrightly, saying how much they studied and how they relaxed. It was clear that this was no party school, but at the same time group interaction and entertainment would be found everywhere. It didn't need a football game or frat party to happen.</p>

<p>The waves of students we saw between class periods seemed to us to include just about every sort of person, and they were mostly dressed in jeans and sweaters. Less "punk" than a lot of places, but not preppy at all. We stopped a few students at random to ask questions about safety, if it was hard to get the classes one wanted, and got helpful and honest answers (not really an issue and not at all, respectively).</p>

<p>This has been very long--if anyone has specific questions just ask & I'll try to answer.</p>

<p>Wonderful report. I believe you meant to say: On the main undergraduate campus, the reality belies the statistics for grads outnumber undergraduate students about 2:1.</p>

<p>Thank you. Actually I did mean 2:1 in favor of the ug's--here's the way the student panel described it: After excluding the medical students on the south-west corner of the campus where the hospitals are, the grad school of business on the east side of the campus, all the professional school students south of the Midway Plaisance, and the Seminary, you eliminate a lot of grad students because the undergrads never see them. The ratio of UG to Grad students might not be 2:1 in every dept that offers an UG major, but over all the 40 or so undergrad majors, that is the average. In other words, you don't have to compete with the grad students to see the profs ;)</p>

<p>I suppose if one subtracts all the grad students no one sees, it could very well be reversed. When I was there as a grad student, most of my classes also had undergrads in attendance. They usually outperformed the grad students! Seeing the profs was never a problem for grad or undergrad students at chicago, now hiding from them, that is another matter.</p>

<p>LOL! I suppose that can be true. Maybe Chicago is like Caltech--I work with many PhD's from Caltech. When S1 was accepted, one of them said to me "As an undergrad? They're the really smart ones!" :D</p>

<p>Thanks for posting this. I was going to visit UChicago over the weekend, but we decided that it was too inconvenient. It's one of my top choices for next year, and your report definitely reinforced that. :)</p>

<p>I like Wyogal's trip report better than my daughter's, which can be summed up as: great academic offerings, strange students.</p>

<p>She stayed overnight a few days beforehand, then went to the open house. I guess the positive way to look at this is that some dorms have stranger kids than others, who are well aware of it themselves. They like it that way. The not-strange kids put up with it because the education is so good, and they eventually find enough friends to sustain them for the four years.</p>

<p>My grandmother graduated from UChicago 83 years ago, many others in our family since then and the school's reputation hasn't changed, according to my father. One could not describe them as a laugh a minute, and they fit right in. Uhh..Big State Happy U is starting to look good.</p>

<p>My daughter is a second-year at Chicago and she loves it. She does have a very active social life -- she goes downtown almost every weekend. Tonight she was going to some sort of Blues festival on campus. As for the grad/undergrad ratio: She had a class last year (as a first-year) in which she the only freshman. There were two other undergrads and 10 grad students.</p>

<p>As someone who sent a nerdy son to Chicago, I have to chime in here a bit. Even nerds have fun. And he was one of those who got well off campus several times a week for food, sporting events, museums, music, you name it. He also got well-well-well off campus for his junior year abroad in London.</p>

<p>I'm glad Wyogal called attention to the Seminary Coop Bookstore. Join once and you're a member for life. We always stop in there when we get to Chicago (where my son now lives), and we can call them up or shop on line for the specialty books that my nerdy wife sometimes likes to buy (Greek, Latin, etc.). Of course, I'm a professional nerd (college prof). So I love what a Chicago education can do for kids. It's truly fun.</p>

<p>The different opinions in this thread just prove the idea that different schools appeal to different people..and reinforce the idea of visiting beforehand if at all possible.</p>

<p>My daughter is in her first year. She loves her dorm and the people in her house. She did have some trouble getting classes she wanted because there is a lottery system for registration for freshmen, and she ended up registering on the last day. Even given the fact she did not get three classes she wanted, she loves two of her classes and the professors. The workload is heavy, and she is having an adjustment to it after breezing through a public high school. She absolutely loves her social life. There are many things to do from eating in great ethnic restaurants to concerts of all kinds to museum hopping. We have been very impressed with the very strong house program. There are house activities such as movie night, sports trips, and apple-picking trips, and the RA's and House parents are very caring and get along great with the students. I think things have changed somewhat over the years. I think the University has made changes in the house system that have stimulated closeness and a better social life. It has been a very stimulating, stretching kind of start for my daughter. She is also having an adjustment to the urban environment. She finds some of the neighborhoods around the University scary.</p>

<p>My wife was concerned about what kind of kids our S would find at Chicago, since he is a social kid. On move-in day she made it point to meet as many kids as possible. To her surprise she found that the kids were no different than kids anywhere. The older 2nd & 3rd year students she met, were also terrific. She was quite relieved, the stories about the asocial Chicago kids appeared not to be true.</p>

<p>So far, my first year S loves The University and has made many friends. He finds all his classes stimulating and exciting with a great deal of interaction with his profs. The workload is massive with two midterm level exams after his first 3 weeks and a major paper, as well lots of reading and problem sets. However, he and his friends, have been to Frat parties, Chinatown, House activities, movies & plays, spent time at the Oriental Institute, and just generally hung out. He plays intramural football (went apple picking as well) and belongs to a University club sports team. He does report that there are many offbeat "characters" at the school, who, he says make it all the more fun. He reports that while he is having fun socially, the most fun is from his studies. He has observed that people's interactions are often governed by their class schedule and requirements. You will see someone one day, and not again for four more days. A planned outing may be put off because someone gets engrossed in his or her reading and doesn't want to stop. He said this becomes part of the understanding between people and that one rapidly learns to plan, manage time, and be flexible all at the same time. His friends are outgoing and fun, and he has a great roommate. He also loves the diversity of Hyde Park, and feels very comfortable there. As said earlier, so far so good.</p>

<p>My son is also a first-year, and may be one of the aforementioned characters. He has plenty to do, both academically and socially, and seems to be enjoying himself greatly. I think the secret is that you actually have to enjoy the academics and intellectual intensity, or Chicago is not not the place for you.</p>

<p>interesting t-shirt we saw at the bookstore this summer on our visit:
"we're not pretentious--we really are better than you"</p>

<p>UofChicago was one of the most beautiful of all the campuses we visited this summer. the churches were outstanding--the C-bench was interesting--if you didn't try it, you wouldn't believe it!</p>

<p>UChicago is a great school if interested in research/ academic profession. But if interested in a good combination academics/social life, there are much better options-Stanford, Duke, Ivies etc. Also alumni network is weak.</p>

<p>I really don't know how to judge that, par72. What is it that makes you believe that? There are certainly plenty of heavy-duty studiers at those other places. Stanford, Duke and most of the Ivies don't have a city like Chicago literally on their doorstep. A 20 minute bus/train ride takes you to downtown and one of the best art museums in the world. You can't say that about Dartmouth, Princeton, Brown, Yale, or Cornell (not to even count Duke). Not to mention the music, architecture and sports. Honestly, I'd like to know exactly what it is that you mean.</p>

<p>Par72 probably meant to say that there is more drinking at those other schools. That's usually what the euphemism "social life" means in a college context.</p>

<p>As for the alumni network, I have found it extremely helpful in my academic and business pursuits, and the alumni association has many local chapters with ongoing activities for alumni. I would suggest looking at the alumni website, but just realized one needs a password that one needs to be an alumnus/alumna to get.</p>

<p>I have no doubt, based on my son's experience, that Chicago students know how to party; they do less of it than students at a lot of universities and colleges that are less academically focused. I went to Reed. We also knew how to party (i.e., we had a "social life"); we were also academically focused.</p>

<p>You can party and be a good student, but there has to be some balance. One of my colleague's sons was a frat-boy in Chicago. He was also a heavy-duty "partier" and involved in sports as well. He just earned his PhD at Duke and is taking up his first academic appointment this Fall.</p>