@VickiSoCal can you direct me to a resource that would help me understand what you are doing to reverse engineer those courseloads?
Re: first generation to college students
While 32% of UCLA undergraduates (41% of UC undergraduates) are first generation to college, this is underrepresented compared to potential college students. About 68% of families in California have parents without bachelor’s degree.
The article linked in #16 makes no claim that there is any mandate regarding first generation students.
Does UCLA look at teacher recs? Maybe the 2nd student got glowing reviews. If I had to guess,I would say being president of a nat’l organization is huge. Don’t top schools want people who they think will be future leaders?
Nope.
@MmeZeeZee use this formula, where it is assumed they have the max weighting points of 8. He said UW was 4.0 so they have all As
UC capped GPA is (4S + 8) /S = 4.44
So S is 18
That’s a low number of academic semester classes over 2 years for a rigorous schedule.
yes, UCB has a similar figure that the admissions office tries to reach. UCSD has slightly lower #'s.
“The article linked in #16 makes no claim that there is any mandate regarding first generation students.”
That is true but a good friend who is a highly experienced admissions counselor of many years here in Calif said that both UCB and UCLA Sr admissions officers said [at an admissions conference she attended] that they are reserving a large % [from 30-35%] of freshman spots for first gen students. The reaction in the room was one of audible gasps!
Third hand claim… Anyway, why the implied resentment against an underrepresented group that typically has more limited opportunities than others?
Do you think this has anything to do with USNWR now taking “social mobility” into account in their rankings?
Neither student is first generation to college. Both took Physics at UCLA last summer instead of AP Physics in HS (teacher is not the best).
I’m not certain about the capped weighted GPA for Student A but it’s somewhwre close to 4.4 and really doesn’t matter for this discussion. I’m more surprised with Student B who couldn’t get in to “lesser” colleges but was accepted to UCLA. It just seems very strange to me.
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its not a "third hand "claim. You dont know everything. @ucbalumnus .
I HAVE posted this information before.
And I’m not implying “resentment” against URG’s.
Simply stating the facts.
Many Calif taxpayers, who DO have a college education AND have been paying Calif state taxes for decades may resent that relative newcomers , AS WELL as OOS applicants AND International applicants, are given a “finger on the scale” when it comes to their kids chances of acceptance at one of the UC campuses.
And I frankly don’t blame them…
I can understand the resentment towards OOS. But you can’t assume that someone is a “relative newcomer” to California just because their parents never got to go to college.
i’d say it’s a fairly reasonable assumption given the influx of immigrants to California in the past 20-25 years.
Some new immigrants, like me, and many that I know, have college degrees. I’d also recognize that disadvantaged backgrounds have a tendency to perpetuate themselves, so you likely also have many examples of a few generations of non-college going families here. Anyway, 20-25 years? You don’t think that’s long enough to “justify” going to college as a CA resident?! You’ll no doubt be pleased to know my daughter is going out of state for college even though my taxes are helping subsidize UC students then. Swings and roundabouts.
I think the demographics have been changing over that time frame and i have no idea how many are paying taxes to support the public school system or for how long. Since it only takes a year to establish residency it doesn’t seem that California is worried about how long a resident supports the system before granting instate tuition.
Well, if it makes Student A feel any better, this kid was just rejected from UCLA: http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/2100728-chance-me-for-top-cs-schools-p1.html
SAT I: 1590 (790 English, 800 Math)
ACT: 36
SAT II: 800 (Math II), 800 (Physics), 790 (Bio), 800 (Chem)
GPA: 3.96 / 4.7
AP Scores: All 5’s (AP CS, AP CS Principles, AP Spanish, AP Physics Mech & E&M, APUSH, AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics 1, APES, AP Chinese, AP Statistics)
Senior Courseload: AP Micro, AP Macro, Multivariable Calculus, Graphic Design, AP Literature, TA for AP CS, Autoshop
@vpa2019 , which states require longer than a year for residency for tuition? We didn’t look at many, but all the ones we looked at, like California, were a year.
@SJ2727 they don’t. You said that 20 years should be long enough to justify going to college. My point was length of residency has no bearing on whether you receive instate tuition because it only take a year to qualify. But my other point was that the change in demographics over the last 20 or so years has resulted in more first gen students living in CA which might account for the increase in spaces reserved for them at CA public universities. I meant no disrespect to immigrants. https://www.ppic.org/publication/immigrants-in-california/
According to https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/freshman-admissions-summary , first-generation-to-college students made up 32% of UCLA applicants in 2018, but 20% of UCLA admits and 27% of UCLA enrollees that year. (So much for the supposed 30% reservation for them in frosh admissions.)
Admit rate was 17% for non-first-generation-to-college and 9% for first-generation-to-college. But yield was higher for first-generation-to-college admits at 52% versus 36% for non-first-generation-to-college admits.
Note that first-generation-to-college students make up a much higher percentage of transfer students than frosh. In 2016, first-generation-to-college students made up 45% of transfer students, versus 28% of frosh.
Remember that about 68% of families in California are headed by parents without bachelor’s degrees, so first-generation-to-college students come from an underrepresented demographic by all of the above measures.
Regarding the immigrants, there have been a lot of highly educated immigrants to California over the past few decades. Their kids (in addition to the kids of US-born college educated people in California) are likely many of the ones adding to the competition for admission to UCs, regardless of what the kids of non-college-educated parents are doing with respect to college applications.