@ItsJustSchool and @bluebayou, UNC as well as UVa offer to meet full financial need for OOS students. UMich has also started to offer really generous fin aid packages to low-income OOS students (more generous than some privates).
UMich and UVa are practically privates governed by their state at this point, however, considering that the state contribution to the total budget of each is now in the single digits.
The UCs are moving in that direction, though.
^UCLA has 7% of its budget contributed by the state. Yet, the compromises and taxpayer input that made it that way over the years is an investment of the citizens. It’s not like there is another option. California invested heavily in the front-end to get UC to this point. They still are a crown jewel of the state, and are chartered to be used for the benefit of her citizens. (put another way, if UCLA and UCB are going to increase OOS enrollments, as they have, to 30% of the population with the reasoning that the revenue is NEEDED to subsidize the in-states, they can’t really have it both ways.)
I should have mentioned that the apps at WWU were for freshmen.
How large is UCLAs class?
Fall of 2014 there were 5,765 freshmen enrolled at UCLA, and 86,554 applicants. The class size is being held constant this fall (at least until the Governor of CA and the President of UC work out funding issues). 17% of CA resident applicants were accepted; 28% of OOS, and 18% of international. 44% of CA residents admitted ultimately enrolled, 22% and 28% of OOS and Internationals did, respectively. Here is a profile:
http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof14.htm
Actually, for those willing to think outside the box, which our political leaders cannot do, there are plenty of options.
The simple solution, of course, is to replace wealthy OOS’ers with wealthy instaters. I have no doubt that thousands of instaters would pay a lot more to attend Cal/UCLA over UCI/UCD. Plenty of other states charge more for their flagship or more for certain expensive-toeducate and/or popular majors. Why are fees at Merced and Cal/UCLA essentially the same? Where is the out-of-box thinking on that?
The domino effect would trickle up, all the way down to UCSC. The green is all the same to the University. Of course, the problem in my suggestion is that Merced would remain empty.
I take HUGE umbrage with those comments. I noticed by searching for UTEP that this isn’t the first time you called UTEP an “academic wasteland”. Yes, even students who graduated from “academic wastelands” know words like “umbrage”.
I graduated from UTEP and many of my friends and family members graduated from UTEP. And guess what? We have similar or better paying jobs than other people who attended “better Universities”.
One of my favorite professors was a history professor I had during the summer. He taught at “better” Universities previously and he got comments from professors at other Universities putting down UTEP thinking the students at UTEP aren’t the brightest of the bunch. He said there is really no difference in the capability of students going to UTEP or “better” Universities. Everybody learns the same things and the amount of work is similar throughout throughout the country.
Just because I went to a University that is an “academic wasteland” doesn’t mean I didn’t have the grades to get into “better” Universities. I didn’t have the bank of Mom and Dad to hand me a check for $20k, $30k, etc. each year.
The number of UCLA applicants is neither sensational nor meaningful.
Kids fill-in an application for UC campuses. Single application. Application fee is waived for many students. Thus kids routinely apply to a number of UC campuses, sometimes to all 10 campuses
Bold kids apply to all campuses except Merced and Riverside.
Shy kids apply to all campuses except Berkeley.
Well-rounded kids apply to all campuses except Berkeley and Merced.
Sure, Sports! Did you not forget something along the lines of “I didn’t do well in college and hated it.”
I hope it has worked for you!
That was in reference to me not being able to take a gap year- that had nothing to do with UTEP.
Go tell Governor Susana Martinez, Sam Donaldson, astronaut Danny Olivas, geologist Charles A. Steen, and NFL referee Ed Hochuli that they graduated from academic wastelands. They all graduated from UTEP (or Texas Western).
I feel very sorry for some people who think Universities that have high acceptance rates are “academic wastelands”. I had the grades to get into more selective Universities, but I couldn’t afford it. I don’t and didn’t have carte blanche from my parents. I worked for everything I have and nothing was ever handed to me. I now have a great job with a degree from an “academic wasteland”.
Very high percentage of acceptance is only one factor. Even if that acceptance rate is as close to 100 percent as humanly feasible.
https://irp.utep.edu/LinkClick.aspx?link=CDS+2012±+Formatted+Output.pdf&tabid=28171&mid=63996
Could it be that people might also look at the graduation rates to find an applicable adjective for the performance of the school? And look at the entering GPA and SAT scores to define the student body numerically? Have you ever looked at those SAT scores?
Umbrage or not, it remains that there are few comparisons between UTEP and the schools that form the UC system, and this as much as it pains me to have to see and … admit. The point is that UTEP has an open barn policy, it admits “almost” everybody and graduates very few of them. The fact that there a few exceptions --including the ones in the tougher engineering program-- does not mask the fact that UTEP is currently an academic wasteland where English is as close as optional as it can be.
I never compared UTEP to the UC system.
UTEP graduates a lot of people. UTEP is a commuter school and a lot of students are not traditional students. Most of the students work or are older and have families. A lot of people in UTEP don’t have the time to graduate in 4 years, but many students still graduate.
English is as close as optional as it can be? lol No clue what that means. Sure, there are a lot of international students, but they know English.
I am not sure what you have against UTEP, but it’s very strange. It is not a “fact” that UTEP is an academic wasteland, it is your opinion.