<p>Lot's from out of state.
UCLA not admitting many in state.
Irvine lower acceptance % overall than SD.</p>
<p>This is an eye-opener. For most of the higher ranked UCs it is now easier to get in from out of state or internationally, than for California residents. So for being one of the highest taxed states in the country, California kids now have a more difficult time getting into their own state universities, than those higher tuition students from elsewhere.</p>
<p>
I wonder if that’s because while UCI admitted fewer students in 2012 than in 2011, UCSD admitted quite a few more - 18,212 in 2011 and 22,939 in 2012, which seems kind of strange. I wonder if they admitted more on purpose or if they had the yield issue where more than expected accepted the admission offer.</p>
<p>
Actually, for 2012, UCLA’s admission rates for OOS and internationals went down from 2011 to 2102 but so did the rate for IS. It looks like UCLA had about 30% OOS/International in 2011 and about 40% in 2012. I don’t think this exactly equates to ‘not admitting many IS’ since IS admissions are the majority at 60% but the percentage is down significantly (difference of 10%) from a year ago.</p>
<p>
That’s what I meant, of course. </p>
<p>For many of these schools your chances of admission are significantly higher if you are from out of state. That was my point.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link Bov. Can’t wait to see results for the other campuses. So UCD, UCI and UCLA all decided to cash in on OOS/Internationals. Compared to 2010, all admitted twice as many in these categories while in-state numbers either stayed about the same or actually decreased. </p>
<pre><code> 2010 number of OOS &Internationals/ 2012 Numbers
</code></pre>
<p>UCI 1624 / 3851
UCD 1676 / 3616
UCLA 3122 / 6192</p>
<p>Now we can wait for them to tell us that these increases in no way affected CA kids chances of getting in.</p>
<p>^ I take that back. They are being painfully transparent:</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>[University</a> of California - UC Newsroom | Freshman admissions reach record high](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/27499]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/27499)</p>
<p>Interesting. D’s private school in Texas sends most of its graduates to top schools. We had always heard “DON’T BOTHER” applying to UCLA because “no one” gets in. I’ve never heard of anyone from our school going there. This year, one of D’s best friends decided what the hey, I’ll try. She was accepted and is thrilled.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Not necessarily true – admit percentages do not say anything about the relative strength of in-state versus out-of-state and international applicants. (Example, in a recent past year, a listing of admit percentages showed that CSU East Bay had approximately the same ~23% admit percentage as Berkeley, but most people do not believe that CSU East Bay is as selective as Berkeley.)</p>
<p>If they would ever update [University</a> of California: StatFinder](<a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu%5DUniversity”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu) past 2009 numbers, it would be easier to tell (although they only have California residents versus all, you can still notice differences in selectivity, if any, by comparing these two groups).</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>K-12 is the biggest budget item in the California budget. Health and welfare is next. Prisons is next (despite being far over capacity), at least partly thanks to an overly broad “three strikes” law. Higher education is behind that. Meanwhile voters will almost always vote for propositions that increase spending (propositions 98 for K-12 and 184 for “three strikes”) and reduce or limit taxes (proposition 13).</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Exactly. Most OOS and internationals are wealthy, (at least that is what UC hopes) and will tend to have better grades and test scores than the instaters, on average. Instate Pell Grant eligibles are highly encouraged to apply to any and all UCs; I highly doubt that the Pell Grantees in Chicago or Detroit or Dallas receive the same advice.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>With a little math (subtract residents from total), one can readily back calculate the OOS’ers stats.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Bold 1: Bad advice. UCLA admissions was no harder for OOS’ers.</p>
<p>Bold 2: Congrats to her, but I would not recommend paying OOS fees to attend a UC, when the excellent instate options can be had for ~half the price.</p>
<p>Acceptances are not the same as enrollment. OOS/International acceptances may have gone up because the cost to OOS/I students keeps getting less and less competitive, which means yield goes down. UC is not any kind of bargain for non-residents; when I looked at it for my son a few years ago the COA was about $7,000/year above the next highest one we were looking at. It’s possible that the OOS acceptances aren’t displacing California students at all, but merely trying to maintain historical levels of OOS/I students at a time when in-state yields are going up. Irvine is the only campus where it really looks like there may have been displacement of California students by OOS/I students.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Well, not my call to make. She’s already wearing the blue and gold. Or is it blue and yellow?</p>
<p>OOS students pay a lot more in tuition to go to a UC than in-state students.</p>
<p>UC budgets are cut severely, thus by admitting more OOS students, there is more money in the pot. Simple math. Those extra tuition dollars help keep the in state students tuition down. </p>
<p>I can guarantee that if the UC’s admitted less OOS students, they would in turn have to admit less in-state students since their overall income would be down.</p>
<p>I am also pretty sure that OOS students have a higher GPA requirement that CA students.
Not that anyone with the minimum UC GPA (except maybe athletes) gets into UCB or UCLA anyway.</p>
<p>Once again, it all comes down to money.</p>
<p>We were given a brochure at UCSB last month that shows OOS tuition plus R/B to be $55K per year! As if…</p>
<p>California is broke–OOS kids bring in big bucks…</p>
<p>^^^Understood. But it’s not going to be our big bucks. I grew up in California and reaped the wonderful education rewards pre Prop. 13. It’s disheartening to see a wonderful education system slowly erode.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>It takes a Californian to put things in perspective. Actually, the version of the Texas “Don’t Bother” I am more familiar with is … “WHY BOTHER … ain’t worth the trouble.” Well, unless one likes to play and is quite good at waterpolo. 
</p>
<p>Fwiw, there are nice OOS numbers at UCSD (66.1% admitted) and consistent for UC university wide</p>
<p>Universitywide (unduplicated counts)
California 65.8%
Out-of-State 53.9%
International 61.3%
Total 63.5%</p>
<p>The conclusion for Californians and Texans is quite simple and similar. It is NOT hard at all to be accepted at a UC school or at a public university in Texas. The sky did not fall yet!</p>
<p>^^^well, far be it from me to rain on her parade. I know nothing…</p>
<p>Friend of my D’s was accepted by UCLA and waitlisted by UGA (in-state flagship).</p>
<p>Well, at least the UCs are doing what they said they would do: admit more OOS.</p>
<p>It is very sad that the UCs are in such dire straits. Not sure that will change in years to come.</p>
<p>Got my fingers crossed for next year when my D applies!</p>
<p>Most states are doing this at this point. I read an article which quoted the head of the washington state university system talking about trading OOS students with other states for financial reasons.</p>
<p>I guess it’s one way to get a user fee instead of taxing those who can’t use the system. But, I’m sure, in states where this is “new,” it must be very frustrating given what you must have expected even three years ago when your kids were already in high school.</p>
<p>Would have made it difficult to make a plan.</p>