<p>I am torn...</p>
<p>What do you guys think?</p>
<p>Tough call...Obama or Clinton?!!!</p>
<p>Unless money is a big concern, I can't really think of a great reason to pick UCLA over Dartmouth. By the way, what do you mean by "for governement"?</p>
<p>"for government" is wicked broad. What exactly do you mean? </p>
<p>Oh and Hanover sucks bigtime -_-.</p>
<p>I am interested in studying Government...sorry about that.</p>
<p>Ill take Clinton please.</p>
<p>No offense intended by my previous comment.</p>
<p>Lets leave our political aspersions somewhere else...</p>
<p>Obama or Clinton would be fine by me.</p>
<p>If you're looking into government, I'm assuming you want to go into politics or something in the public sector? Dartmouth would put you a step up than UCLA because it's an Ivy and it'll be better if you want to go into law or grad school...</p>
<p>If you want to go into law school there is no difference between dartmouth and ucla. I can't comment on grad school. Either way if you plan to go into government you're going to want some education beyond the UG level.</p>
<p>I'd pick Dartmouth over LA if money wasn't an issue, and if you have no strong preference to the environment of each campus. Reasons being that Dartmouth is an Ivy plus I see it being better at "government" and what not.</p>
<p>Whoever said there is no difference for law school is wrong. There is a wider variation in grades/GPA at UCLA than at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth places better at law schools.</p>
<p>Yes, it's GPA/LSAT but many top law schools do take into account the reputation of one's undergraduate institution. Even UC Berkeley and UCLA used to have a formula where they gave you extra points for attending more academically competitive schools like Dartmouth.</p>
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Whoever said there is no difference for law school is wrong. There is a wider variation in grades/GPA at UCLA than at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth places better at law schools.
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<p>You're wrong. GPA/LSAT is all that matters unless you are a HYP person (and even then it's been debated if this makes any diff). The reason that Dartmouth places better @ law schools is because people at dartmouth are, on average, "smarter" than people at UCLA (they do better on standardized tests like the SAT and LSAT). </p>
<p>The "x places more students at yale law than y" argument is stupid because the student bodies of x and y are not the same. Come to UCLA and major in a humanities...it's almost impossible not to get a 3.7+ if you put in a little bit of work.</p>
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<p>Surely you have a link for this claim? If this was true then why wouldn't yales incoming class be composed entirely of people from top 50 undergrads? I mean, surely there are enough people in the top 50 schools who got 3.8 + 173?</p>
<p>Although UCLA and Dartmouth are both great schools, they are very different in size, location and weather. Look beyond your department choice and think about where you would want to spend four years of your life.</p>
<p>"but many top law schools do take into account the reputation of one's undergraduate institution. "</p>
<p>Think this idea comes, in part from the following kind of report (which has been accused of having a Northeast bias) - click on the link to the rankings within the article:
The</a> Wall Street Journal Classroom Edition</p>
<p>And also to something that used to circulate which was a publication of the weighted index that Berkeley's Boalt Hall used to apply to gpas of applicants from different undergraduate schools based on its experience with the success of applicants from those schools. Understand that this formulation is 10 years old, but does give credence to the statement that law schools (at least one very good law school) have factored in the strenghth of the undergraduate education. This index assumes that LSAT scores are equal - <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20000829094953/http://www.pcmagic.net/abe/gradeadj.htm%5B/url%5D">http://web.archive.org/web/20000829094953/http://www.pcmagic.net/abe/gradeadj.htm</a></p>
<p>If one were to get an MA at a different university than that which they completed their UG work at, which university would be used for decision purposes, assuming different institutions comes into play?</p>
<p>LaxAttack, the top law schools like Harvard and Yale overwhelmingly have themselves composed of students from top 25 schools, and the top 10 disproportionately. At the Harvard, Yale law level you are talking about choosing between 3.7+, 172+ kids. Every boost helps. Dartmouth is the 5th and 6th most represented school on the Harvard Yale lists on a percentage basis.</p>
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LaxAttack, the top law schools like Harvard and Yale overwhelmingly have themselves composed of students from top 25 schools, and the top 10 disproportionately. At the Harvard, Yale law level you are talking about choosing between 3.7+, 172+ kids. Every boost helps.
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<p>And you don't think there's any other reason why, say, a school like princeton would place more people in the entering class of yale as opposed to a school like indiana state? Cmon, think about this one, it's not too hard.</p>
<p>Yeah but for example why does Dartmouth do so much better than WashU when SAT ranges aren't that far apart?</p>