<p>I was just curious, what are the pros/cons and similarities/differences of these two public schools. Which one is more prestigious and has a better overall rep for academics?</p>
<p>I hate these "which is more prestigious" threads -- especially when the institutions in question are both excellent in many aspects. That being said, Michigan most certainly has the better academic reputation overall -- but I visited UCLA recently and fell in love with the campus. In terms of student "quality of life" facilities - like housing, dining, fitness - UCLA is way ahead of Michigan. Also, UCLA undoubtedly has certain departments where they are superior to Michigan. (I don't know for sure, but I have to imagine that anything associated with the entertainment industry...) On the other hand, UCLA is being forced to increase the number of undergraduate students - so I wouldn't be surprised if they experienced some growing pains.</p>
<p>If I were a California parent, I'd have a hard time justifying the extra tuition for Michigan over UCLA or Berkeley. If I were a Michigan parent, there would have to be a pretty compelling reason for me to be willing to pay the incremental tuition for UCLA.</p>
<p>if i got rejected from ucla (in state), does this mean i have no shot at umich (oos)</p>
<p>UCLA and Michigan are both top 4 or 5 state universities, so there cannot be that much of a difference in terms of prestige and quality of education. Michigan does have the edge, but it is negligible. </p>
<p>In terms of student life, I would say both are great. Michigan is more collegiate, but both have great school spirit and fun student bodies. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, it boils down to fit. </p>
<p>And Nirvana, the admissions decision of one university is not reflective of the admissions decision of another. So no, a California resident who is turned down by UCLA is not necessarily going to be turned down by Michigan...or vice versa.</p>
<p>I think there are distinct differences that would make it simple for one to choose between the two. Weather, diversity, campus setting,etc..............</p>
<p>I'd recommend going to UCLA. It is a lot more presitigious on the west coast (don't know exactly about east coast....UMAA might have more prestige there), since it is the target destination for almost every student that wants to get into a UC. </p>
<p>Also, it has more international recognition....if you were to ask someone abroad about university-of-michigan-ann-arbor, you'll almost always get a blank stare.</p>
<p>UCLA is much more selective than UMAA, and much harder to get into. It has a 25% admit rate, whereas UMAA has a 55% admit rate! I agree that the applicant pool may be different, but not by much....thus, the difference in admit rates are very telling.</p>
<p>My opinion may sound biased, but I'd recommend asking 10-20 REAL people...you'll get skewed views on this board, and particularly under UMAA forum (for some strange reason).</p>
<p>Golubb, Michigan's international reutation is actually a little stronger than UCLAs, especially in Europe, but also in the Middle East and Latin America. In Asia, I would have to say the edge probably goes to UCLA, but even there it is arguable. </p>
<p>Obviously, in the West Coast UCLA and UCB are kind. Along with CalTech and Stanford, they are the top universities in the eyes of West Coasters.</p>
<p>In the East Coast and the Midwest, Michigan obviously has an edge. </p>
<p>And I would not trust students in this forum or any other forum. Students do no know enough about universities to give sound advice. But if one were to post this thread in a neutral section of this site, I am pretty sure most would recommend Michigan over UCLA...if financial consideration were not a point of contention. But like I said, students do not know enough to give sound advice.</p>
<p>golubb....u said that ucla's admit. rate was 25% and umich was 55%...i was wondering...do u no the admit. rate for out of state applicants only or are these just general, overall admit. rates for all aplicants</p>
<p>golubb-u,</p>
<p>The "RECOGNITION" and "REPUTATION" are two very different things.
Since UCLA has more international sport fans, Hollywood image and of course, excellent academic, it do have high international "RECOGNITION".</p>
<p>But,In academic world and more important, the job market, UMich-ANN ARBOR do have higher "REPUTATION" over UCLA.</p>
<p>Actually,in the academic world, people say "ANN ARBOR" instead of " U. of Michgan" just like we say "BERKELY" instead of " U. of California"</p>
<p>"i was wondering...do u no the admit. rate for out of state applicants only or are these just general, overall admit. rates for all aplicants"</p>
<p>....just all applicants. I'm sure their websites would have out-state admit rates. UCLA would be much harder out of state than UMAA though, due to UC policy.</p>
<p>"Actually,in the academic world, people say "ANN ARBOR" instead of " U. of Michgan" "</p>
<p>really?? Alexandre, didn't you say UMAA was called "just michigan"? Ok, from my understanding....</p>
<p>1) University of Michigan refers to Dearborn, Flint and Ann arbor combined.</p>
<p>2) UMAA is specifically University-of-Michigan-Ann-Arbor</p>
<p>3) Ann-Arbor is the same as UMAA</p>
<p>4) All students from Dearborn and Flint also say they go to U-Mich!! They never specify which one, since technically they're correct in saying U-mich.</p>
<p>Golubb, the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor goes by three popular names:</p>
<p>Michigan
Ann Arbor
U of M (only in the State of Michigan)</p>
<p>Nobody says UMAA and nobody says the whole name. </p>
<p>Its like the University of California at Berkeley. Most people call it Berkeley or Cal. Why is UCB the only schools that goes by the name Cal? Why doesn't UCLA go by that name? Because Berkeley is the flagship university in the state. Same with Michigan.</p>
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UCLA is much more selective than UMAA, and much harder to get into. It has a 25% admit rate, whereas UMAA has a 55% admit rate! I agree that the applicant pool may be different, but not by much....thus, the difference in admit rates are very telling.
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<p>This is fallacious reasoning. Admit rates aren't necessarily very telling at all. For all that selectivity, UCLA enrolls a class that is very similar to the class than U-M enrolls (in terms of GPA and standardized test scores). So all that selectivity really signifies is that there are more people applying to UCLA. The numbers don't change the quality in this case. This was discussed in another thread here very recently. University of Chicago also has a selectivity lower than UCLA. But the quality of applicant yields a better student profile--Chicago students beat U-M and UCLA students both on the standard measures. </p>
<p>You can argue that UCLA is a great school--it is. But I think putting this weight on 'selectivity' under these circumstance is not really a sound argument for it.</p>
<p>good call hoedown, in regards to more students applying to ucla: i was reading the princeton review 345 best colleges and ucla gets 40,000 apps a year (majority in state, cali is a huge state) while michigan around 25,000 applicants (~35% out of state). Since ucla's enrollment is about the same as michigan, obviously ucla accepts a smaller percentage than michigan cause they have way more applicants (again, mostly from in state).</p>
<p>BTW alexandre, i also hear michigan being called "umich" a lot.</p>
<p>big red...i have to second that...everyone around here refers to university of michigan- ann arbor as "umich"...btw i got in today!</p>
<p>congrats joechef, where ya from?</p>
<p>Congratulations Joechief.</p>
<p>"...everyone around here refers to university of michigan- ann arbor as "umich"...btw i got in today!"</p>
<p>That may be.....my point is that the flint and dearborn students also refer to themseleves as "umich"....so umich= aa+flint+dearborn in most peoples view.</p>
<p>Congrats on getting in :)</p>
<p>golubb_U
you have no idea what you're talking about. I grew up in Michigan, born in Detroit, lived an important part of my life in Ann Arbor and know it well.
Anyone I ever met who went to UofM Dearborn or Flint refers to their schools, respectively as
UofM Dearborn
UofM Flint
If someone says they go to UofM everyone in-state (with no exception) knows that means Ann Arbor: in news broadcasts, TV, radio or the guy on the street.
What makes you think you know anything about UofM?
Why is it even interesting to you?
You are all over CC making comments and comparisons about Umich. Why? Are you fixated with it? Moreover, it is always an attempt to demean Mich. Why?</p>
<p>To any prospective students, </p>
<p>for future reference I would discount threads begun by or commented upon that involve Golubb and UMich (no disrespect intended to Golubb, he may have unbiased valuable incites into other schools, I have no idea, but clearly he has an agenda regarding Mich).
My spouse is from another continent, she tells me that UMich, along with Berkeley, is known by all people in academic circles etc., UCLA to a far less degree.
As most people on this forum know, Alexandre is far and away the best source on UMichIMHO he is unbiased to a fault in his presentation of UMich (drop that moderator thing for god's sake--fast!).</p>
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<p>CC is dominated by </p>
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<li>Ivy hopefuls</li>
<li>Cal hopefuls</li>
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<p>It's just a matter of shear #'s. A lot of people live in Cal and apply in-state+wherever else they happen to apply. In addition, most top students apply to at least 1 Ivy, so the forums are dominated by these views. Alexandre is one of the few spokespersons for the better state universities that also have a lot to be said for: even outside of Cal.</p>
<p>Im sure that Virginia, Carolina, Wisconsin, Texas etc. would benefit from a knowledgeable spokesperson to answer queries on the ins-&-outs of these schools.</p>
<p>As luck would have it Michigan has a very good spokesperson to help guide curious students.</p>
<p>Anyone who gets to spend 4 years in Ann Arbor is a lucky S.O.B.</p>
<p>"valuable incites into other schools,"</p>
<p>"It's just a matter of shear #'s."</p>
<p>...Woodwork, why should people listen to you when you can't figure out the difference between insight-incite and sheer-shear?? They're not even spelling errors...they're comprehension errors.</p>
<p>If you ask a flint or dearborner, he'll tell you straight-up that he's from Umich....which is technically very true.</p>