UCLA's Chancellor vs. USC's President

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Los Angeles
21

<p>Firstly: The state money pales in comparison to the large endowments of Ivy League universities.</p>

<p>Stipulating that you are correct USCken, we'll see in a few years if USC pulls ahead. As of now, the evidence suggests that USC is behind. Unless you forgot to mention that you're a psychic besides my enlightener, the aforementioned public schools are still ranked ahead of USC. </p>

<p>And certainly money does have a degree of relationship with the quality of education; however, money is not the determinant in such matters. USC still cannot compete with the "greats" in private education and it falls far behind to the schools you mentioned.</p>

22

<p>USC just completed the most successful fund raising campaign in the history of higher education by raising over $2.4 billion dollars.</p>

<p>Thats what they've been telling you huh? Most successful in the history of higher education - interesting...</p>

<p><a href="http://www.campaign.ucla.edu/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.campaign.ucla.edu/&lt;/a>
Check out the progress there. </p>

<p>Btw, thats a good article, Littleol'me - if only everyone could be so insightful.</p>

23

<p>
[quote]
"You mean the quality of education is not proportionate to money?" it is.

[/quote]
</p>

<p>I hope you're not serious. To say that the larger the endowment a school has, the better the education they will offer is a poor assumption, not to mention a vast generalization. Correlation does not equal causation.</p>

<p>-Ender</p>

24

<p>California really isn't a "well off" state when it comes to education...</p>

<p>icarus- so insightful as to deduce that UCLA is better than UCB and UVa? Or the author was so insightful? :)</p>

25

<p>A Larger endowment can only take you so far.USC endowment is big but I dont see them being in top 15 in the next century or the top 20 in next 50, there stuck taking some of the leftovers of those schools because they wont be able to knock those schools from the top because most of them are private and could increase their endowment to keep USC static. USC is going to beat UCLA perhaps but eventually even if its half a century later UCLA budget will increase and retake its spot.</p>

26

<p>haha no i was speaking more to the quotes of Black and Moore, and even then I think insightful was the wrong word... but close enough :)</p>

27

<p>oh yes, "campaign ucla". carnesale has been doing a wonerful job of budgeting what little cash he can come up with...like changing ucla's logo. very smart.</p>

28

<p>MrTrojanMan,</p>

<p>According to your logic New York SUNY's system and the University of Florida, in addition to UC, should be among the top universities since those states have the highest income while the Universities of Virginia and Michigan should only be average. See the following link for supporting data.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/04statab/income.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/04statab/income.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>If you mean on a per-capita basis, then Univ of Conn, Massachusetts, and Rutgers in New Jersey should be on top. They clearly are not.</p>

<p>Obviously, there's more to the quality of public education than money.</p>

29

<p>cali has the best public school system for higher education. i would say its well off. b</p>

30

<p>"well off" as in money.</p>

31

<p>yes, well off as in money.</p>

<p>im sure if you if you look at usnews rankings for just publics, uflorida, uconn, rutgers and umass would be ranked relatively high. the more well off states would probably have higher ranking schools.</p>

32

<p>I come back from Spring Break and see my thread has risen from the dead... :rolleyes:</p>

33

<p>and its dead again</p>

34

<p>wow you guys give up easier than i thought.</p>

35

<p>Ken, where is your Barbie? Go play with her.</p>

36

<p>WHO CARES:
no one</p>

37

<p>Frankly flopsy,</p>

<p>That comparison is not only a poor reflection of your reasoning capabilities, but also of the institution you're trying to boast about. UCLA has the advantage in several things but leadership is NOT one of them. Carnesale is a fine Chancellor, but many, many in academic hail Sample as one of the greatest -- if not the greatest -- current university Presidents. Look no further than the praise on Amazon.com or to articles in the Journal of Higher Education pointing out how Sample not only turned around one institution, but two.</p>

<p>The arguments for Sample, including quintupling the university's endowment in a decade (something which has NEVER been done) have already been argued. I find this evidence much more compelling (as anyone should) than quotes taken out of context.</p>

<p>Please, if you're so pitiful as to take an uncalled for jab at USC in some self-righteous effort to justify going to a school where students are forced to print out syllabi to save on paper costs, then point out the surrounding neighborhood, or how great the food is at UCLA, or how housing will be guaranteed for four years. </p>

<p>Leadership is undoubtedly USC's greatest strength. That's why it's always so able to boast about its financial position. To discredit that with irrelevant quotes is not only desperate, but foolish.</p>

38

<p>Furthermore, here's a link detailing how President Sample convinced a double alumnus of UCLA to give 100 million to USC before his own alma mater: <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/engineering/CNE/mann/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usc.edu/dept/engineering/CNE/mann/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Care to post a quote from Carnesale in reaction to that?</p>

39

<p>to justify going to a school where students are forced to print out syllabi to save on paper costs</p>

<p>haha wait what? talking about uncalled-for jabs (not to mention untrue ones)</p>

40

<p>The jab was in response to the one given. I've got to defend my alma mater, don't I? And three friends winter quarter all corroborated that; perhaps paper policy has changed spring quarter. This is not to say that UCLA students don't still face compromises due to budget woes. Take for instance, the notices you receive letting you know which buildings will be without power on Sundays to cut down on electricity? And if you still find that rebuttal invalid, try eating on campus tonight (Thursday, 4/14). What's that you tell me? You can't? Because you can't afford to pay your food workers a respectable wage so they can support their families? For shame.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=32789%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=32789&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I would still eat at UCLA over USC though. Anytime.</p>