<p>Well, not really chance me, but if I go to UCSD and am pursuing a degree in Management Science (Economics B.S. instead of a B.A., aka more math-based courses) and a minor in Accounting, what sort of GPA and LSAT score should I get to get into a T14 law school?</p>
<p>I know it varies, but UCSD released data showing the mean GPA for UC Berkeley's law school from UCSD undergraduate was a 3.73 with an LSAT of 166.3. I'm going into my second year with a 3.4 GPA but I will admit that I slacked off a lot first year and can, and intend to, do much better. If all goes well, I will have at least a 3.7 by the end of Winter Quarter 2011, and will have 2 internships (one financial PR, one financial advising) on my resume.</p>
<p>Also, should I change my major to something easier or drop my minor? But I always want to have the option of doing business or business school in the future if my aspirations change...</p>
Depends on what T14 you want to get into, obviously. The two of the easiest T14 are Cornell and Gtown. A gpa of ~3.7 and a LSAT of ~170 will usually get you into Cornell and Gtown. The higher up the rankings you do, the higher scores you will need.</p>
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If you might want to go into business or b-school later in life, I would keep the business major. Whether or not you keep the minor is irrelevant for the most part.</p>
Agreed.
The numbers seem way too low for admitted students.
The numbers even seem too high for applicants, seeing as how I doubt that the average UCSD student probably doesn’t have that high of numbers.</p>
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Only 6/152 students were admitted to Boalt, so this is probably the reason – small sample size. Definitely aim for higher than a 166 on your LSAT if you want Boalt, though.</p>
<p>PS: Geez, that’s brutal:
–0 admits to YHS.
–10 total admissions to CCN, but quite possibly just 4 individual students racked up all of these admissions.
–44 total admissions to the rest of the T14, among possibly 13 students</p>
<p>It’s possible that this school of 24,000 undergrads sent just 13 students to the T14 last year. Absolutely none went to YHS.</p>
<p>Isn’t that a bit judgmental? Though I might be biased since I go there, I think UCSD is far from a poor school, although more of the population tends to gravitate towards medical school and biology degrees (as I had originally planned). I don’t know very many others who want to do law.</p>
<p>Do law school admissions also take in where you went to for undergrad? Say, if I had a 3.7 and a 165 LSAT versus someone with a 4.0 and a 170 LSAT who was from UCSC, who would have the better chance?</p>
<p>@bluedevilmike, thanks for the link. It seems much more accurate and much more depressing. Hahahaha.</p>
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<li><p>The average LSAT for a Harvard student is about 166, so 166 would really be very high for UCSD. It’d be tough to find 152 UCSD students applying to Berkeley with an average LSAT of 166. That would be something like half of the prelaw class of Harvard, so it’d be a stretch.</p></li>
<li><p>It’s possible that some schools give some weight to undergraduate institution, but:
a. That bonus does <em>not</em> apply to UCSD. Consideration for undergrad applies to upper Ivy and similar schools.
b. That bonus wouldn’t be worth 0.3 GPA and 5 LSAT points. That’s an <em>astronomical</em> gap.</p></li>
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Tehe, we just had a major discussion on this in another thread. For the most part, though, no. </p>
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The kid from UCSC, no doubt. The kid from UCSC would get in over you even if it was a 3.7 165 for you versus a 3.7 166 for him, assuming all else is equal.</p>
<p>So in theory, if someone wanted to go to law school, shouldn’t they just pick the least competitive undergrad so they can get the best GPA, and choose the simplest major for them, and spend all the other time on the LSAT? Sorry, I know that this is digressing a bit, but internships, letters of recommendation, personal statements. How much do those really matter and how much time and effort are they worth expending upon?</p>
<p>In addition to small sample size, it’s important to understand that the UCs give big bonus points to overcoming adversity, both at the undergraduate and graduate level (which is one big reason why Boalt has ‘low’ test scores). Thus, it is entirely possible that some of these kids benefited twice from the holistic admissions policy (which includes low income, first gen to college, etc), once at SD and at Boalt.</p>
<p>Considering that most top universities don’t have undergraduate business programs and that students from these universities dominate top business schools, I strongly doubt this is the case.</p>
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<p>Your statement might as well have said “no,” period. I simply elaborated.</p>
I never said it was a prerequisite. Having a solid foundation in a subject certainly helps when you enter more advanced classes, no? Having an undergrad degree in business would probably help one to at least a minimal degree in b-school. And my point stands that the business major helps if he just wants to go into business straight away. </p>
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Fair enough. But you said I was “inaccurate,” which I wasn’t.</p>