UF and FSU Team Up on Tuitions

<p>I disagree, UF is a FLORIDA public university and it SHOULD have a high % of Florida residents, lot's of money comes from the State of Florida not for it to benefit out-of-state students. That makes no sense, it's ridiculous why would anyone want out of state kids taking up the spots of people who have been born& raised here, and have admired this school with the hopes of attending it.</p>

<p>But I guesse crushing our fellow floridian dreams is okay, as long as UF gets more$ from other ppl w/their Out-Of-State tuition.</p>

<p>(why would anyone want out of state kids taking up the spots of people who have been born& raised here, and have admired this school with the hopes of attending it.)</p>

<p>--Well your argument should be applied to the regional universities in the State University System, however not to UF and Florida State. Just my opinion</p>

<p>"I disagree, UF is a FLORIDA public university and it SHOULD have a high % of Florida residents, lot's of money comes from the State of Florida not for it to benefit out-of-state students. That makes no sense, it's ridiculous" </p>

<p>What then, is your solution to the tuition issue? Are you saying that you would rather see florida residents pay significantly higher tuition rates, just to keep the ratio of in state vs. out of state at the current level?</p>

<p>My suggestion was merely that. i am not proposing that UF should have no florida residents attend. I merely was saying that UF has a lower than average out of state population than many other state universities. the out of state applicants would in many cases pay a much higher tuition rate (and so they should) then florida residents. In fact, I believe that by increasing the out of state population at UF, it would in fact benefit Florida residents as it will help to keep tuition costs lower.</p>

<p>honestly, i really don't know all the statistics and i certainly don't wish to deprive florida residents from pursuing their dreams of attending UF. i am just looking at it from a business point of view and thought one way of increasing tuition revenue, without increasing the student population and without having to raise in state tuition rates was to consider accepting a few more out of state applicants.</p>

<p>Question - "What then, is your solution to the tuition issue?"</p>

<p>He already posted it on the 1st page of this thread:</p>

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"If anything college tuition should be FREE like in europe-it's possible"</p>

<p>Truth is, a tuition hike will not affect Florida residents attending UF. The school's standards are so high, that virtually every student attending UF is on a Florida Bright Futures Scholarship. (3.5 UW GPA, 1270 SAT, 28 ACT) In addition, many students have Florida Prepaid tuition plans. Bright Futures scholarships are financed by the Florida Lottery, so I'm guessing any discussion about raising tuition would include them?</p>

<p>On the issue of accepting more OOS students, I think the school needs to be careful about that. I've read a few times that UF and other state schools are considering that approach to increase their revenues. But many students applying to UF now, are second and third generation Gators, whose parents write huge checks for fundraisers and to the Alumni Association every year. The plan could backfire if UF accepts an OOS student over an alumni's child who exceeds UF's admission criteria. UF will have to kiss a lot of alumni checks good-bye.</p>

<p>"But many students applying to UF now, are second and third generation Gators, whose parents write huge checks for fundraisers and to the Alumni Association every year. The plan could backfire if UF accepts an OOS student over an alumni's child who exceeds UF's admission criteria. UF will have to kiss a lot of alumni checks good-bye."</p>

<p>You have a good point, we should definetly give priority to legacies that have stats that are within the 25th percentile of the admissions criteria from the previous year (3.9W, 1220 SAT, 26 ACT). However there are alot of legacies that only have 1100 on their SAT's and 24 on their ACT's who are in for a dose of reality when they get rejected (this assumes that they are not a URM). These kinds of students would have trouble getting into FSU & UCF, and they would be better off going to Santa Fay CC and transferring to UF.</p>

<p>I understand, nycollegedad, that your suggestion to admit more OOS students to UF is just from a business standpoint, but you have to understand the emotions attached to it here in Florida. Gator fans are crazy about UF! Flags on every house, all year long. Gator license plates, Gator stickers, and entire stores devoted to Gator merchandise. Football season is another subject entirely. </p>

<p>A few years ago, during the night before the UF/FSU fooball game, a neighbor of ours sneaked onto the property of another neighbor, and changed out his FSU flag for a Gator flag. Our small neighborhood had more fun with that than anything we've ever done together. Even the FSU neighbor thought it was a great stunt! We still talk about it. </p>

<p>It's part of the years and years of memories our kids have as Gators fans. Their parents and siblings went to UF. They've worked for years to keep their GPA's and SAT's above UF's standards so they would be admitted to UF. They've overloaded on AP courses and duel-enrollment courses, so they can enroll as sophomores their first year--thus, saving Florida's SUS a ton of money! </p>

<p>I'm not passing judgement on your suggestion, I'm simply trying to explain why it may not be met with too much enthusiasm on this board. Many people I know WOULD pay more tuition to attend UF, rather than get rejected so an OOS student could attend.</p>

<p>UF and FSU both need to be funded to compete nationally. The State of Florida needs to challenge other large states in terms of academic excellence.</p>

<p>By doing this, the other state universities will be brought up.</p>

<p>USA TODAY's 2006 College Tuition & Fees Survey</p>

<p>USA TODAY's annual survey of tuition and fees at 75 public flagship universities in 50 states looks at figures for first-year, full-time freshmen and includes all mandatory and major-specific fees assessed for students in basic Arts and Sciences programs. </p>

<p>The 2 cheapest universities are UF & FSU!</p>

<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-08-30-tuition-survey_x.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-08-30-tuition-survey_x.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>UF is a "land-grant" public U and there are certain restrictions that will always require it to accept/enroll a high percentage of in-state residents. Either the tuition goes up or taxes go up. It is basically publiclly funded, mostly with state dollars, to benefit it's state residents, yes?</p>

<p>Looks like UF has decided to tack on a $500 fee per semester as a way of getting around the limits on tuition increases. They will phase-in the new fee starting in 2007 for new freshmen. They say underprivileged students will be exempt. The Orlando Sentinel article said Bright Futures scholarships will not cover the fee. It did not say if Florida Prepaid local fee plan would, but I doubt it. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-uf11_106nov11,0,2050061.story?coll=orl-home-headlines%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-uf11_106nov11,0,2050061.story?coll=orl-home-headlines&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>uhh that will suck, terrible terrible timing (for me) </p>

<p>notice how this will cancel out the NMF scholars' $500 per sem. scholarship since UF dumped the larger one this summer.</p>

<p>can't bright futures still apply to another state school and not have to pay the $500? i know UF is on the top of many peoples list, but $1,000 per year is alot of money.</p>

<p>It appears that FSU is about to enact the same increase...</p>

<p>See: <a href="http://www.tdo.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061113/BREAKINGNEWS/61113007%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.tdo.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061113/BREAKINGNEWS/61113007&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Not that this is a surprise - Wetherell and Machen appear to be working together on this.</p>

<p>Parent2noles - do you know what the approval process is for this? Is there an upcoming vote in the legislature? </p>

<p>Personally, I strongly support this "extra fee" to improve the academics of Florida's premier schools. The way it is being presented is that current students are exempt....as are students with a financial hardship...so that should mitigate most arguments against it. </p>

<p>What is the process to gain approval?</p>

<p>It appears that first it must pass through the Board of Governors then the Florida Legislature. UF can apparently get their program through the BOG without FSU helping, but not the Legislature. FSU alumni who are in the Legislature, and also the new Governor and Lt. Govenor (both FSU alums), are inclined to help UF as it helps FSU. </p>

<p>I'd say it's virtually a done deal for both schools. They need the $$ to compete nationally.</p>

<p>From the Orlando Sentinel:</p>

<p>Leaders of the Florida university system gave their blessing Thursday to a proposed $1,000-a-year student fee that would enable the University of Florida to pay for 200 more professors and 100 academic advisers.</p>

<p>Meeting in Pensacola, the Board of Governors endorsed the plan, which would dramatically increase the cost of attending Florida's flagship public university.</p>

<p>The $500-a-semester fee would be charged to undergraduates starting with the new freshman class next fall. Phased in over four years, it is expected to raise $36 million annually and help boost UF's academic standing.</p>

<p>UF's board of trustees is expected to approve the fee in December. The Legislature would then consider it during its spring session.</p>

<p>Carolyn Roberts, chairwoman of the Board of Governors, acknowledged that the fee would be a break with how Florida has financed its universities.</p>

<p>"We are only approving it for one university," she said. "It's a model. We are going to hold the university accountable on every level."</p>

<p>Student Government President John Boyles said UF President Bernie Machen discussed the proposal with students last week, and they did not oppose it. The fee would not apply to those currently enrolled.</p>

<p>A key provision is that poor students would not have to pay.</p>

<p>"Anyone who has a financial need will not be burdened," Manny Fernandez, chairman of the UF trustees, told the governors Thursday.</p>

<p>Machen is pushing the fee as part of an "Academic Enhancement Program" intended to beef up undergraduate studies and propel the Gainesville campus onto a list of top-10 public universities in the country.</p>

<p>The idea is to enlarge the faculty and lower student-teacher ratios from 21-to-1 to 14-to-1, creating more course offerings and smaller classes. The additional advisers would help keep students on track for graduation.</p>

<p>Machen's plan draws on comparisons between UF and other top public schools, such as the University of Michigan and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. They have student-teacher ratios of 15-to-1 and 14-to-1, respectively, according to an annual survey by U.S. News & World Report.</p>

<p>UF is Florida's biggest university, but its tuition and fees -- $3,206 this year -- are among the lowest charged by top state schools nationwide. The modest tuition makes it hard to reduce class sizes, university officials say.</p>

<p>Tuition at other Florida universities is similarly low by national standards, making the proposed UF experiment of wide interest at other campuses.</p>

<p>Dan Holsenbeck, vice president for university relations at the University of Central Florida, said the school has no plans to consider such a fee but will watch to see the effect it has on educational quality at UF.</p>

<p>"If sometime in the future it becomes available to other universities, of course we would consider it," Holsenbeck said.</p>

<p>Also watching is Florida State University, where President T.K. Wetherell has proposed a "Pathways of Excellence" plan that calls for hiring 200 faculty stars to raise the institution's profile.</p>

<p>If the enhancement program works for UF, it's something that FSU also might consider, spokeswoman Browning Brooks said. But she stressed that there's a long way to go before Machen's plan is approved.</p>

<p>The Florida Bright Futures Scholarship program would not cover the UF fee, nor would the Florida Prepaid College Plan. Almost 95 percent of in-state UF undergraduates receive Bright Futures scholarships, which cover either 75 percent or 100 percent of tuition and most fees.</p>

<p>They or their parents would have to come up with the $500-per-semester "enhancement."</p>

<p>Susan Jacobson can be reached at <a href="mailto:sjacobson@orlandosentinel.com">sjacobson@orlandosentinel.com</a> or 386-851-7903.</p>