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I also bet the in state kids at Georgia are every bit the academic equals of the in state kids at North Carolina. Where NC gets the nod is the out of state kids are most likely better students than the out of state kids at Georgia. So you are only talking about 16% of the student body.
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<p>That's not true at all. Everyone has this perception that the in-state people at UNC are somehow inferior to students at other schools or to the out-of-state crowd. The in-state students at UNC are excellent students-lots of people who easily could have gone to Dook (or other top-25 universities elsewhere) but chose UNC for whatever reason (atmosphere, cost, etc.) Only the best high school students in North Carolina actually get in to UNC, and the rest go to State or ECU or whatever. UNC is also more selective for in-state students than UGA. You don't get to be named a top-5 public institution if 80 % of your students are perceived to be "unqualified" or "inferior" to the other 20 %.</p>
<p>I never said unqualified or inferior but look at the SAT scores between UNC and Georgia they are fairly close and seeing that the oos kids at UNC are most likely at the high end about 1300-1400 which would raise the average slightly I would still bet the average instate kid at UNC and Georgia are equivalent students. I would bet the average SAT score for the in state kids are within 20 points.</p>
<p>Wouldn't you agree that UNC gets a stronger oos applicant than Georgia?</p>
<p>SAT UNC V 590-690 Georgia 560-660
M 620-700 570-660
W 590-690 560-660</p>
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I never said unqualified or inferior but look at the SAT scores between UNC and Georgia they are fairly close and seeing that the oos kids at UNC are most likely at the high end about 1300-1400 which would raise the average slightly I would still bet the average instate kid at UNC and Georgia are equivalent students. I would bet the average SAT score for the in state kids are within 20 points.
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<p>It is true that the OOS applicants for UNC that are admitted usually have pretty hefty SAT scores (including loads above 1500), but the in-state students usually have great scores as well. UNC's mid-50% SAT range was 1210-1390; UGA's was 1150-1310. And SATs are not everything-the average GPA for someone entering UNC was 4.4 (w) for the latest batch; UGA's average GPA was 3.8 (w). At UNC, 7.2% of the most recent admitted class graduated as valedictorians; at UGA, that figure is roughly 5%, but includes first and second in class. Eighteen percent of UNC's most recent class graduated either first, second, or third in their high school class. </p>
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Wouldn't you agree that UNC gets a stronger oos applicant than Georgia?
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<p>Yes, without question. But that doesn't mean that the in-state apps are necessarily weak either. UNC gets strong apps all around. I knew three people from high school who went to UGA, and none of them were able to get into UNC in-state. </p>
<p>That said, UGA is a great school. I didn't know anything about it when I was in high school, but my friends who go there now love it. If I could do it again I would definitely at least apply to UGA, and I might have even gone there if they offered me some money. Who knows.</p>
<p>Please keep in mind I have never said any in state class is weak, inferior or unqualified. I do not believe that. My opinion is that in most States there are equally qualified students and most attend their in state public school. In Georgia that is the University and Tech and in NC they are Chapel Hill and NC State. My point is I do not believe the quality of student and the education offered my be justification to pay a premium in most places.
I believe you may be able to argue that Ga Tech siphons a larger % of top Ga students away from the University of Ga in comparison to the number NC State takes from NC-CH to give UNC a stronger pool overall. I am still not sure it is worth the extra cost.</p>
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I believe you may be able to argue that Ga Tech siphons a larger % of top Ga students away from the University of Ga in comparison to the number NC State takes from NC-CH to give UNC a stronger pool overall. I am still not sure it is worth the extra cost.
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<p>I didn't think about that, but it makes perfect sense. Ga Tech is much more competitive than NCSU, so it would naturally seem logical if some top students in Georgia applied to Ga Tech and not UGA. In North Carolina, everyone applies to UNC, while in Georgia it appears there is more than one top public to go to.</p>
<p>OP: DS has had a very good experience in the UGA Honors Program for his first year. Small honors classes with engaging professors, good, personalized advising, and living in Myers Hall (the honors dorm, but not exclusively). We definitely recommend the program, based on his experience.</p>