<p>Hi there! I got accepted into engineering schools of this colleges and my primary goal is to study medicine. I am really eager to go to Michigan with its great engineering program but WashU stands really ahead in the premed field. Besides I am an international student(from Turkey) so I know medicine is a really long shot (admission around 1% for international students) but it is shot worth to take I believe. I talked to a lot of people and most of them say I wouldn't be unhappy in any of them. Which one do you think I should choose?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Those are all really good colleges, I agree you should likely enjoy all. All a bit different. Go and browse the individual forums for each to get some more idea of them. In the Brown forum, a current medical student who went to Brown for undergraduate has a thread titled “Why Brown is the best place to be Premed.” Here is a page on advising:
<a href=“WELCOME TO HEALTH CAREERS ADVISING | Health Careers Advising”>http://brown.edu/academics/college/advising/health-careers/</a></p>
<p>Just be aware that no matter where you go, engineering and pre-med can be a difficult mix. Engineering doesn’t often offer enough electives that you can get all the pre-med classes in a four year period, and sometimes completing just the engineering courses in a four year period can be tough. And you’ll be given no consideration on your GPA, even though engineering is a tougher curriculum than say English or history. And add in all the pre-med courses to an engineering curriculum, and your GPA might suffer so much, you won’t qualify for med school.</p>
<p>Many students often find they’ll need to choose between engineering or pre-med. The very best students can do it, and anyone who’s smart enough to graduate from an engineering school is smart enough to become a doctor, but med school admission committees don’t see it that way.</p>
<p>I would attend Brown since it has the greatest grade inflation which will aid in medical school admissions. It is also a prestigious Ivy League school that will serve you well should you change your mind about entering the medical field.</p>
<p>Which of those universities has the strongest reputation in Turkey? All three of them offer excellent undergraduate experiences and are well regarded in the US. But if you had to return to Turkey when you graduate, which one will employers recognize the most?</p>
<p>There really is no such thing as “the premed field.” My guess is that each of the three colleges you mention have good career placement rates for their high achieving alumni who plan on medical school.</p>
<p>None is clearly better than the others “for pre-med” … unless you are talking about Brown’s combined BA+MD program (which nearly guarantees a clear path from college to med school). Otherwise, med school admission is mostly about your college GPA and MCAT scores (not where you go to college, especially when comparing 3 very selective schools). </p>
<p>As for the chances for an international student getting into a US med school …
<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/medical-school-admissions-doctor/2012/07/16/3-tips-for-international-students-applying-to-us-medical-schools”>http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/medical-school-admissions-doctor/2012/07/16/3-tips-for-international-students-applying-to-us-medical-schools</a>
" In 2011, 174 non-U.S. applicants matriculated at a U.S. medical school, according to the AAMC."
(That’s out of what, about 20,000 matriculants each year?)</p>
<p>Wow tk! I never knew so few internationals matriculated into U.S. medical schools. OP you really need that engineering degree! Michigan is far and away your best bet for engineering and career goals. </p>
<p>If you can afford Brown, go for it. It is much better than the other schools on your list. If cost is a concern, I would go with Michigan if you can get in-state tuition or a cheaper ride.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t consider WUSTL over these two.</p>
<p>Brown over Michigan for engineering because it’s, “much better?” Once again informative is NOT! </p>
<p>“I would attend Brown since it has the greatest grade inflation which will aid in medical school admissions. It is also a prestigious Ivy League school that will serve you well should you change your mind about entering the medical field.”</p>
<p>That’s completely silly. One is well-served coming out of all these schools. </p>
<p>“Michigan is far and away your best bet for engineering and career goals.” I’m not sure what you mean by career goals. Are you saying that all career goals are far and away better served going to Michigan than WUSTL or Brown?</p>
<p>You may not be making that extreme a statement but it wouldn’t surprise me from reading other posts of yours. It really seems that there’s a cabal that monitors this site and tries to convince as many people as possible that UM is the place to be. I’ve seen these people twisting facts and arguing both sides of a point to help the UM side. For example, I read a post yesterday from someone who had downplayed the importance of rankings in many discussions when UM was a lower rated school than another option. In yesterday’s case UM was the higher rated option and the person used the rankings as a strong reason to choose Michigan.</p>
<p>How organized is this plot? Are you all Freemasons, Bilderberg, S.H.iE.L.D. or Targeryans? What is the motivation - UM has always done just fine without your help (or has it?).</p>
<p>The short answer is Brown for the GPA boost, but it probably has the “worst” Eng program of the three.</p>
<p>btw: your chances of being admitted to a US med school are probably lower than 1%. Most American med schools do not accept any Internationals: zero, nada, zilch.</p>
<p>I would take Eng at Michigan and forget med chances.</p>
<p>I would attend Brown (although it’s medical school is not in the top 30, if it matters to you) because you have a guarantee admission(almost) to MD provided that you can keep above a certain GPA level.</p>
<p>DrGoogle, that only applies to students admitted in the PLME program. The OP has not mentioned the PLME program. But if he were admitted in the PLME, this would be a no brainer in favor of Brown.</p>
<p>Alexandre, I misread the post above and made that assumption. </p>
<p>Michigan adherents are members of the clandestine ‘League of Shadows’ of Dark Knight fame. You heard it here first!</p>
<p>I’d also go with Brown. </p>
<p>“Michigan adherents are members of the clandestine ‘League of Shadows’ of Dark Knight fame.” </p>
<p>That sounds like a gross generalization. However, maybe some of them are . . .</p>
<p>Moreover, Dr. Google, most US med schools do not accept International students. (I haven’t looked up Michigan’s med school; perhaps Alexandre knows.)</p>