Almost forgot, as this was posted last year by @bladerz1: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/18669909/#Comment_18669909. You can see both my and @blugrn6’s analysis of the presentation, right beneath it, which will likely be similar this year.
So I’ve been getting PMs on this, so thought I would address this in the thread to help everyone, for people comparing among several Bachelor/MD programs, and those who have only one Bachelor/MD acceptance [you’re not alone, quite a few of us were in this same scenario], but still aren’t sure if this is better, and are prepared to do the traditional way (which 99% of med students do). We have discussed this before, deep in the thread, but thought it was important to bring back up, since people are doing comparison shopping and making decisions.
The 6 year time aspect
This program runs for 6 years, no summer breaks/vacation off. In the first 2 years, holidays coincide with the UMKC undergraduate academic calendar: Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, MLK Day, Spring Break, etc. Depending on how much credit you are coming in with (and can continue to test out thru CLEPs during the first 2 years), you can decrease the undergraduate coursework load substantially, and be more flexible in your course arrangement. However, no matter how much credit you have, unlike some of the other combined programs, you can not be “off” any semester and not officially enrolled. You have to be enrolled full-time (and thus pay tuition) for every semester (fall/spring/summer) in the program, unless you take an official leave of absence, in which case, you start right back up where you left off when you come back, to complete the program.
When you interview for residency in your last year, no residency program director will care that you graduated from college & medical school in 6 years. It’s not a factor that tips the residency selection scale in your favor. That might be surprising to learn since you would think it would show sustained focus, determination, hard work, endurance, intelligence, etc. to have finished something that most people do in 8 years. What you have to understand though, is that it’s not a race to see who can finish the fastest. Residency programs have SO MANY other factors that we can look at to evaluate your application, which are much more important and valid. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a clear accomplishment for students and their psyches, which maybe they and/or their family/friends can be proud of and beam/brag about. But in terms of some real tangible benefit to affecting your career trajectory, not really. In fact if you speak to some UMKC Med alumni, they will tell you that quite a few interviewing residency program faculty, view accelerated 6/7 year combined med programs in a bad light, due to concerns (legitimate or otherwise) about maturity, lacking life experience & perspective, about only having been “studying machines” for all 6 years since high school, not being well-rounded as individuals, more likely to be burned out during residency training, etc. Again, this isn’t everyone, but I’m just saying that it is duly noted, since doing a combined accelerated program is not the norm.
What residency faculty want above all else, are competent, strong med school graduates who can enter their residency training programs and graduate from them successfully, as residency training has its own stresses, even more than medical school, in terms of # of hours worked, sleep deprivation, emotional stress, etc. Whether you graduate from medical school 6 years after your high school graduation date or 10 years after your high school graduation date is completely irrelevant. So while you should be proud of your accomplishment, as well as I’m sure your parents & friends are, just keep in mind, in terms of your own career advancement, the 6 year factor won’t play a role and be the shiny gold star you might think of it to be. So I think both I and @Blugrn6 have mentioned this before, but please don’t harp on the time factor as a major reason to come here. While it may not feel at all like it now in high school, 2 years is nothing in the entire process to becoming a physician.
Keep in mind also, that many of the Bachelor/MD programs that started out originally as 6 year programs (you can look in prior MSAR books at the library), are no longer 6 years in length for a reason. They’ve either gone to 7 years or the full 8 years. Examples: Boston University, Northwestern, Rennselaer/Albany, NEOMED, Miami HPME, Penn State/Jefferson Medical College. Someone will have to check me on this, but I believe the only U.S. allopathic 6 year combined programs left are UMKC and Howard University in Washington D.C. And then of course, you have traditional medical schools that have either eliminated their combined programs (Mizzou’s Conley Scholars Program: http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/med-school-to-stop-pre-admission-plan/article_438ff87d-7468-51a8-a956-c749d3394b12.html, although they have kept their Bryant Scholars Program) or have never had combined medical programs to begin with, since they’re getting good applicants in the normal process, so why change it?
Not having to take the MCAT
One aspect of becoming a physician is taking lots of exams and doing well on them, both in courses and especially standardized exams. Just like anything else that requires practice and can be worked and improved on. It’s something you start with in elementary school, middle school, high school, as well as in college, etc. You take state level high school exit tests, SAT/ACT w/ or w/o SAT subject exams, the MCAT, USMLE Step 1, USMLE Step 2 CK, USMLE Step 2 CS, USMLE Step 3, Residency In-Training Exams (ITEs), Initial specialty board exams (residency), Initial subspecialty board exams (if you do a fellowship), which you then have to recertify every 10 years, and take an exam (usually one in your residency field and one in your subspecialty field). This doesn’t include what is called MOC (maintenance of certification) which you do continuously during those 10 years. So test taking is not something that ends in college or in medical school, after which you’re somehow home scot-free.
The MCAT is just one of a myriad of exams that physicians take. You even take exams during residency, while you’re working. If it’s one skill that you will have to master, it’s being a good test taker, although it’s not the only skill you’ll need. Skipping out on one feared exam, the MCAT, DOES NOT make this pathway any easier, as you will be taking many exams in med school, much harder than anything the MCAT will throw at you. Contrary to what people might think, the hardest part of the physician pathway is not just getting into medical school, especially now, when we will reach the point where there are more US medical graduates than there are residency spots (which hasn’t happened just yet, although we’re getting close).
I’ll paste here some posts/threads that I think are relevant to this:[ul]
[]One was a UMKC MD-only student who graduated in 2012 and posted a while back, talking about the MCAT, which I think is relevant here: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/10888832#Comment_10888832
[]A student who did a BS/MD program on the East coast: http://■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/threads/is-there-any-way-i-can-transfer-medical-schools.1175960/, I’m pasting it here as one of the veteran posters says, combined programs, “attract people who want to avoid the MCAT (which in a career filled with numerous standardized format tests and which greatly rewards skilled test takers, is a bit counterproductive).” His underlying point being that it’s kind of silly to enter a combined program in a profession, just to skip one test (which you can take more than once), when you’ll still be taking exams later on in that pathway, in which the stakes are different and higher.[/ul]
So TL;DR: Don’t use the fact that the UMKC program is 6 years long and getting to skip the MCATs as your sole or major reason(s) for deciding to do this program.
Class of 2016 Match List
Internal Medicine - 17
Pediatrics - 17
Medicine-Pediatrics (combined residency) - 3
Medicine-Psychiatry (combined residency) - 1
Psychiatry - 5
Obstetrics & Gynecology - 1
Family Medicine - 2
General Surgery - 6
Orthopedic Surgery - 3
Otolaryngology - 1
Otolaryngology Research - 1
Plastic Surgery - 1
Vascular Surgery - 1
Emergency Medicine - 5
Radiology - 4
Ophthalmology - 3
Anesthesiology - 7
Dermatology - 3
Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation - 2
Pathology - 1
Child Neurology - 1
Oral Surgery - 2 (OMFS for Dental school graduates only)
Preliminary Medicine - 3
Transitional Medicine - 1
Match List analysis - Part 1 of 3
Ok, so I wanted to wait until after Friday, so that any changes to the match list could be made if necessary after match day, to give my analysis similar to what was done by several people last year. I’ll try to follow the same format. As students will be comparing medical schools at different BS/MD programs, match lists will be one big factor that will be looked at. If you’re someone who has not gone thru medical school, does not know any physicians or those in medicine, it can be very difficult, to properly interpret and make conclusions from match lists when making medical school matriculation decisions. Part of it involves knowing what are the good residency programs in each specialty, with the top-tier programs in each particular specialty always being the most competitive. Top-tier doesn’t necessarily automatically mean name prestige, although it can sometimes be true. Particular residency programs can also be more competitive for other reasons: curriculum structure affording easier residency lifestyle, geography (i.e. being in sunny California), etc.
It’s more helpful to notice trends, especially across years, rather than to hyperfocus on any particular person’s match. For example, noticing 1 Stanford match and then extrapolating it to the entire student body is probably not a wise idea. Context is always helpful in terms of any particular match. For example, did that person take a year off from the BA/MD program to get some research publications under his/her belt? Is that person part of the military match? Did that person couples match? Did that person want to follow a spouse in another class who graduated ahead of them and thus do residency in the same area? Was that person geographically restricted in some way (i.e. significant other not in medicine who has to find a job in the area the person matching will be doing residency, wanting to be close to family, etc.)? Did that person do an audition rotation and knock their socks off? Were they an MD-only student, who may have done quite a bit of research or had ancillary degrees? Different BA/MD classes have different personalities. For example, one year a lot of people may want to go for more primary care oriented type specialties, which may not be the case in other years.
Applicants also take other things into account when it comes to coming up with a rank list and matching with programs: geographical considerations, wanting to live close to family, spousal considerations, the standard of living of the city - since you’ll be making a relatively low resident’s salary, during residency training. There are also rankings of residency hospitals/programs which you can see from USWNR: http://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals and Doximity: https://residency.doximity.com/, which varies by specialty. If you look at the map on the 2016 Match List, you’ll see a lot of our matches tend to be more clustered in the Midwest, which is pretty consistent with prior years, just based on applicant preference (and where they come from) and UMKC being a more known entity in that area.
Things you won’t be able to see in a medical school’s match list: whether for each match, the specialty the person matched into was that person’s #1 preferred specialty or whether they ended up matching into a backup residency specialty: whether not applying at all in the fall for their #1 preferred specialty and applying for another specialty that they’d like or at least be ok with and are more competitive for, simultaneously applying for 2 specialties during the fall, or thru the SOAP process (formerly called “The Scramble” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Resident_Matching_Program#Failure_to_match). Also, if someone currently in the class who applied didn’t match into any position, and thus doesn’t have current postgraduate plans in July, you will not see that name on the list.
One thing I wanted to make clear is that my analysis of this year’s match list is not meant to be a personal judgement of the students themselves. It’s not meant as a personal attack or criticism. My goal is to try to point out trends compared with prior Match lists, considering @UMKCRoosMD was kind enough to post lists from 2003 to present. It is also to help those who may be considering a particular specialty and need to see a school’s prior track record in getting students into that specialty, which will be relevant in their decision making now. If you’re someone who is not at all sure what specialty you want and thus don’t want to feel restricted in any way (and you don’t have to know at this point at all by any means), looking at match lists to see the distribution a particular school is able to get in terms of specialties and programs is important. I kind of think of the match lists as sort of turning on the tv about a minute before the end credits come on, and trying to figure out the plot from the tv show that happened 29 minutes before. You guys are seeing the final product, but you don’t see the years before that went into initially creating that product – studying for basic science courses, taking Step 1, clerkship performance, audition rotations, taking Step 2 CK, research and any publications that came from it, how the person decided which specialty to shoot for and when they decided, how much geography came into play, whether people couples matched, what backups were seriously considered, etc. which also has an effect on the end match, although you can still note common trends from year to year.
So in our strongest specialty at UMKC, both in terms of the number of people who matched into that field, as well as to our student’s overall exposure in the curriculum, Internal Medicine (IM), the best programs that our students were able to match into were at middle-tier institutions. So even our top performing students who were going for IM, matched into middle-tier IM programs, although some being strong middle-tier institutions, no top-tier places like Hopkins Osler, UCSF, Mass General, Brigham and Women’s, Duke, Penn, etc. although in the past we have had 1-2 students in a particular year match into places like Mayo and Wash U for IM – notice both in the Midwest. Keep in mind, in comparison to traditional graduates, we do 4 more months of inpatient Internal Medicine than everyone else, not including our weekly half-day IM clinics for 4 years, at which other schools, at most, do one month of ambulatory clinic. I think this confuses people, since the amount of Internal Medicine education we get at UMKC is much more when compared to other medical schools, so you’d think that we’d be matching more people into top-tier IM institutions easily in this field, since we get the added exposure and maybe greater confidence that students at other schools don’t get heading into IM. Of course, it’s much more complicated than this, which I won’t go into here, but clearly just having more student curricular exposure is not the only factor in selection for the top-tier IM residency programs, or it’s not enough on its own to justify taking someone, as that’s what residency training is for, in which the learning curve is very steep and thus people catch up quickly. Most people going for IM tend to go with the intention of becoming subspecialists thru fellowship - Cardiology, GI, Heme/Onc, Allergy, etc. although people also can become hospitalists as well.
Match List analysis - Part 2 of 3
Same for Pediatrics, we did have 2 students match into top-tier Peds residencies, in which we have had a prior track record of matching students there, but not in the very top Peds programs overall, which are more located in the NE – like Boston Children’s and CHOP, although this may have been more candidate preference in terms of geography. The best our students were able to match into for someone going for Peds were middle-tier Peds programs, if not strong middle-tiers. In Peds, the rate of subspecializing after residency is different, as the income factor discrepancy isn’t as pronounced in the Peds world from generalist to specialist, as it can sometimes be in the IM world.
We had a few more people apply to Psychiatry than usual, but that’s probably more indicative of the particular class, than a trend. OB-Gyn, was lower this year at 1 match, compared to other years, again probably more indicative of the particular class. Our OB-Gyn home residency program doesn’t have too many home subspecialty fellowships, compared to other places, similar to our General Surgery program. We only had 2 people going into Family Medicine this particular year, which is a little lower than usual, although we do have a good, vibrant Family Medicine program.
We definitely had more students than usual match into categorical General Surgery residencies - 6 this year. However, part of this total could also be people who applied for General Surgery as a backup specialty, in case they did not match into the more competitive surgical subspecialties – i.e. ENT, Urology, Ortho, Plastics, Neurosurgery, etc. UMKC does have a General Surgery residency (although not really many subspecialty fellowships) and Ortho residency, but we don’t have a home Urology, ENT, Plastics, or Neurosurgery residency program to spring off from, which can make it much harder, though obviously not impossible, to match in those fields. I think that is reflected in our match list this year and in prior years in terms of total numbers. Plastic Surgery and Vascular Surgery are different in that they are “integrated” subspecialty programs, in which you already know your subspecialty and don’t have to apply again for fellowship after completing a General Surgery residency. It’s “integrated” into the curriculum.
In terms of the more ancillary specialties: Rads, Ophtho, Anesthesia, Derm, PM&R, etc., with 2 specialties being very competitive, one of which we have a home residency in, you can see we tend to have a much lower total number of people entering these fields, and in proportion to the entire class, for a variety of reasons. Those in the 2 more competitive specialties in this category coming from UMKC tended to be those who were more academically competitive. Radiology, has gotten MUCH less competitive over the years in terms of matching (it used to be almost on par with Derm), although this could change later, so accordingly, our match lists have opened up to people being able to get it coming from UMKC.
We’ve also gotten more faculty recruitment in certain specialties at UMKC – Ortho, Rads, and specific student specialty interest groups – PM&R, etc. that has helped guide our students going for those fields that weren’t available before.
There were 4 who matched only into the first year of internship, although one is a military match, to where often they are given military orders to only match into internship at least initially. They tend to go thru the Military Match which is a separate match from the NRMP match. The others will apply again for the match later on this fall, to complete a residency, whether it’s an advanced specialty or a categorical specialty.
Match List analysis - Part 3 of 3
TL;DR
So I would say overall for this year’s match list, in terms of the breadth of specialties matched into, as well as hospital program institutions, this year’s match list is probably at average for a small, lower-tier med school like UMKC, if not actually below average for this year, in comparison to our prior match years. I think there are several things at play here:
1 -- the residency match has gotten a lot tighter for medical graduates due to the ratio of the number of residency spots to the number of U.S. med school graduates, with new medical schools being added by the LCME in recent years, and thus more graduates that weren't there in previous match years. Thus, now medical school reputation, both in terms of academic prestige, and also being "known" entities, in terms of the quality of their medical graduates from personal experience by residency program directors, is a lot more important now than it used to be. Thus, the more lower-tier medical schools will be the first to feel the crunch, while top-tier med schools will be less hit hard or the last to feel it, if at all.
2 -- since UMKC's BA/MD class composition has changed a lot in terms of geography (Class of 2013 was the first class who had the regional category allocated, entering as Year 1s), a weakness in terms of matching into the more competitive specialties has started to surface, since the demand for them is higher (not surprising, since students from outside Missouri make up more of the class and pay more in tuition than in-staters, and thus are more likely to gravitate towards specialties in which income is higher to pay off their higher debt loads sooner, although income potential is not the sole driver of specialty selection). It was much different when the class was only 90% in-state, 10% out-of-state, in terms of the type of specialties the majority of students in the class were seriously considering and shooting for (Class of 2012 and earlier), although that's not a hard and fast rule.
You can compare these match lists for UMKC to those at Mizzou, SLU, and Wash U above, as well as Google medical schools’ match lists from your own home state as most med schools have posted them online. If you have any questions at all on the match list, the actual matching process, or anything I’ve said here, please feel free to ask.
@Roentgen Could you possibly expand on the residency crunch? I’ve found several articles both supporting this and claiming it’s not that accurate… there’s a lot of contradictory information about this topic. I’ve heard physicians I know discussing this issue as well.
So I don’t know the specific articles you may have seen. If you could paste them here or PM them to me, I’d be happy to read them and see what they’re getting at. It depends on the numbers how you calculate the residency crunch. For example, if you use total number of medical school graduates period (including international, Caribbean med school) or whether you just use U.S. allopathic + osteopathic graduates (as some of them choose to apply in the allopathic match). Also depends if you just use the number of all PGY-1 positions or only those positions that result in completion of a board-certifiable residency (so no prelims and no transitionals). Here’s something from the New England Journal of Medicine that I think explains it pretty well: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1306445. Here’s something from the NRMP (National Residency Match Program): http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Mona-GSA-presentation-2015-Final.pdf.
Residency and fellowship positions in the United States are funded mainly by the federal government through Medicare. Back in 1997, there was a federal budgetary measure that was passed that essentially capped the total number of resident spots that Medicare would pay for. Now with increasing number of medical school graduates, the number of residency positions has still stayed relatively static, and at the federal level since 1997, and now there isn’t much appetite to spend more money on residency positions thru Medicare, since we have budgetary concerns in other areas as well, if you watch the news and keep up with politics (most high schoolers don’t, I know). It’s an issue for physicians, because we can’t practice in the U.S. without completing a residency. This is quite different than midlevel providers like PAs, NPs, or CRNAs who don’t require a residency as part of their pathway.
It definitely has started getting people talking in the academic medicine world, since medical schools prepare their students to apply in the residency match, so the concern about more unmatched senior medical students affects them directly. Certain specialties have always been competitive in terms of student interest vs. total number of spots, but what has started to happen is that even the more non-competitive specialties have started to get more competitive just based on sheer numbers of graduates that are coming thru the pipeline. Certainly something you should not be worrying about right now (med students have enough to worry about, lol), but it is an issue. Hope this makes sense.
Hi @Roentgen. I recently got accepted into this year’s batch of six year med students and was wondering what kind of computer/laptop you think would work the best? Thanks.
Hey @physicsbasedd, I don’t think it really matters which laptop you get, PC or Mac. The med school doesn’t have any specifications as any computerized exams are taken in their computer lab, and class exams I believe are still paper and pencil. If you’re needing to buy a new laptop, I would hold off and wait for major sales (i.e. Memorial Day), or Back-to-School deals in August. You can also get great deals from websites like FatWallet or Overstock.
I was told I’m on the waitlist, how many students are offered that and how many usually get offered admission?
@stressedsenior25 I called them, but they said they wouldn’t provide that information
@stressedsenior25, they likely will not tell you how many people are on the waitlist for each specific pool: in-state, regional, and out-of-state, nor give you information on how far they will have to go down each specific pool’s waitlist to fill up the class because it can vary a lot from year to year. They have also stopped telling people what rank they are on the waitlist. Some years for a particular pool they may not have to go down a waitlist at all, and other years they have to. After May 2nd, they will look to see how many students accepted the offer of admission, how many seats remain, and then begin extending offers to students from the waitlists, if they need to turn to those.
@farehahasan, thank you for sending those links to me. Here is my take on it as I’m aware of of some of those studies which articles are citing saying that there will be no residency shortage. One study I believe is by Fitzhugh Mullan, MD and another was a GME report by Gail Wilensky, Donald Berwick et.al. Part of their calculation is that somehow other healthcare professionals will pick up the slack which we can draw on – PAs, NPs, pharmacists, etc. or that the bigger issue is maldistribution, which outside of the federal government to force you to work some place is hard to control, and thus believe residency funding money should be directed in areas that have a low number of physicians to begin with – i.e. more money to rural areas, not areas with residency programs that already have a high concentration of physicians. There will be some specialties that have always been competitive due to the total number of spots for that specialty or because much larger ratio of student interest to number of spots in that specialty.
The people who are involved in health policy type issues (i.e. MPH types) tend to be more left-of-center in terms of their worldview – this isn’t a statement as to my political opinions, at all. I’m just pointing out the facts:
—https://www.aamc.org/linkableblob/49248-5/data/mullaninterview-data.pdf
—http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1511707 - “For much of the past 50 years, U.S. medical graduates have effectively enjoyed a “selection subsidy,” in which the gap has made matching in the specialty and location of their choice less competitive than it would be with fewer excess positions. IMGs, eager to obtain training in the United States, have filled the gap each year, often accepting residencies in specialties less favored by U.S. graduates”; “The primary goal of public GME support, it should be noted, is to produce trained physicians to meet the country’s health care needs and not to fulfill the personal preferences of individual graduates for the specialties of their choice.”
Those who are left-of-center in terms of their politics tend to be more for ideas like social equity, justice, more federal govt. centered solutions - i.e. single payer healthcare, etc. Thus their end goal isn’t necessarily what’s good for medical students or physicians, but more what is good for society or the collective – or more accurately, I should say, what they “think” is good for society, without consideration of unintended consequences (or maybe they do consider those consequences, but don’t think it’s a big deal or don’t care). Those who are left-of-center lament (often) that U.S. medical students tend to become specialists and subspecialists rather than primary care physicians (General IM, General Peds, Family Med) that society needs. I could go into a big lecture on that why exactly this is, that doesn’t involve salary but other reasons, but it’s like beating a dead horse, lol.
Is anybody else struggling to access your UMKC email? I’ve already set up Pathway. Yet, when I use the same SSO on the UMKC email setup, it won’t let me in.
@slimybananas420, I’m assuming you’ve already looked at this: http://www.umkc.edu/exchange-faq/.
You can also use this for username and password issue stuff: http://www.umkc.edu/IS/Password/
Thanks for the help. I still can’t seem to log in.
I’ll call the number given tomorrow and I’m sure everything will be solved.
Thank you guys greatly for your help this year. My son made it into the program, but now we’re comparing to other programs he’s gotten acceptances at. I don’t want to give him the impression that I want one a specific program over the others, so I’m just trying to find information.
How many people make it through this program usually? What about going longer than 6 years? How many people usually do that?
Congratulations to your son!! Glad your son has a few options in front of him from which to choose from. Always comforting to be in that position.
So your first question addresses attrition (dropping out of the BA/MD program entirely, whenever that happens, whether it’s during the first 2 years or the last 4 years) and your second question addresses extension (going longer than the 6 years, usually 7 or 8 years, but still graduating with the MD degree). It’s not at all uncommon for some students to do both, first extension, and then eventually attrition, and there are plenty of students, of course, who extend, match into residency, and graduate.
Just as an FYI, graduating with the MD degree is separate from going through the match process and obtaining a residency. I know you probably know that but didn’t want people to conflate the two, although you obviously have to have graduated from medical school before starting residency in July.
UMKC is one of the only medical schools in which the entire entering class is a BA/MD class that comes in after high school. Probably different than your son’s other Bachelor/MD options in which that particular BA/MD class graduates from college first, however many years they have specifically allocated for that, and then joins and officially becomes part of the 4-year traditional medical school class, that has gone thru the AMCAS application. At UMKC, MD-only students that come in after finishing a Bachelor’s degree, are usually only brought in to make up for any attrition that has taken place, and thus can only enter at the spring Year 2 level, in order to bring the total class # back up to the original number.
This is what we have right now in terms of public data:
http://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/Fulltext/2007/04000/The_University_of_Missouri_Kansas_City_School_of.10.aspx (Click on “Article as PDF (75 KB)” on the right hand side and it should immediately pop up for you as a PDF since it’s free) - 2007[ul]
[]“As might be expected, the attrition rate in this school is higher than those of traditional four-year medical schools. Of all 3,377 students admitted at year one from 1970 through 2005, 20.6% left the program without the MD degree. However, attrition in years three through six is lower; only 161 out of the 3,377 admitted students (4.8%) withdrew or were dismissed during the last four years of the curriculum.”[/ul]
http://www.umkc.edu/provost/student-retention/retreat/som.ppt - 2009[ul]
[li]“The overall attrition rate is 21% (1970-2009); 15% when you eliminate Year 1 and 2 students.”[/li][]“Year 3-6 attrition is 6-8%”[/ul]
https://www.aamc.org/download/102346/data/aibvol7no2.pdf – for traditional 4 year medical schools - 2007[ul]
[li]“With a 10-year attrition rate at less than four percent,”[/ul][/li]https://www.aamc.org/download/379220/data/may2014aib-graduationratesandattritionfactorsforusmedschools.pdf - 2014
In terms of the percentage of people who extend in the program, period, or the percentage of people who extend in the program and then graduate and/or move on to residency, we don’t have publicly released stats on those numbers, although as discussed previously, there are various reasons students do so, academic difficulty/failure (i.e. inability to meet the required Science GPA), personal/family issues, taking a year off to do research for a particular specialty, etc.
Will they tell us our results of the Toledo Chemistry Exam if we got waitlisted? I’m considering taking a chemistry course at the local community college, so Im not sure how everything would work if I got off the waitlist