<p>"Mind your own" on a public forum?? that's a new one.</p>
<p>jec7483 wrote: "but the Ivy League is a better choice". T</p>
<p>for whom? do you have personal experience, or did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?</p>
<p>"that is not saying that UNC is by any means not a great choice, but the resources and contacts you will gain by being from the Ivy League seem to be incredibly valuable."</p>
<p>'seem to be' is an interesting choice of words. </p>
<p>Again, what exactly is your experience in this area? Whenever I see comments like yours I assume they're from a high school or college student, and not from a person who has been in the real world. Would it surprise you to know that there are corporate recruiters who have posted many times on these boards that they usually do NOT hire the Ivy grad for regular jobs (corporate staff, sales, etc.) paying under $125,000 (99.9% of the jobs for college grads between the ages of 22-30)? Being from an Ivy can be a liability as well as an advantage.</p>
<p>If you chose between UNC+$ and HYP, chose HYP if money is not an issue.</p>
<p>Other ivies, who cares.</p>
<p>UNC has a better name reorganization than Brown and Dartmouth nationally and internationally, close to Cornell and Columbia.</p>
<p>Money wise!</p>
<p>Well, being from North Carolina, I do know the caliber of students living in North Carolina. Having been to the campus many times and knowing many of the its students, the students are not on the same level as those that you would find in the Ivy League. The Ivy League, there are exceptions to this, produces superior students. Hell, you do not even know the Ivy League, as Duke is considered a much better school than UNC. Comments like mine? Generalizations? You seemed to be pretty generic yourself with your preaching from your "real world". Thanks, but I am already in this "real world" too. What is your experience, beyond probably some low level position in a large company? It must be low, as you have had time to post over 1300 times. Just because I am in the real world doesn't mean that I have let logic go out the window, as you seem to have done. Also, what do you know about UNC? You either went there and are incredibly biased, or you are preaching from the other side of the country in Los Angeles about a school that you don't know that much about. Passing on an Ivy league degree for UNC is ridiculous. You have been watching a little too much UNC basketball, as I wouldn't go around listening to Dick Vitale. When he says, "This is the greatest place in the world, baby." He means for basketball, not academics.</p>
<p>"Would it surprise you to know that there are corporate recruiters who have posted many times on these boards that they usually do NOT hire the Ivy grad for regular jobs (corporate staff, sales, etc.) paying under $125,000 (99.9% of the jobs for college grads between the ages of 22-30)?"</p>
<p>Yes, that would surprise me, if there was some truth behind it. I have navigated these boards as well, and I have seen nothing that gives any foundation to that comment. It sounds like perhaps you someone got snubbed by one of the Ivy League schools. If money is not an issue, you go to the Ivy League over UNC. Even if it is an issue, I suggest taking out loans to attend. The Ivy degree will pay for itself in the long run.</p>
<p>jec -- I attended both a HYPS and a public Ivy.</p>
<p>I have navigated these boards <em>and</em> the halls of elite acadmia, as well a the real working world.</p>
<p>It seems I have more of a basis to comment than you have. Exactly where do you go to school? I'll bet it's not any Ivy or you wouldn't have your head stuck in the clouds.</p>
<p>Ok, you went to a HYPS and you still have a wrong opinion. It happens. I doubt you went Ivy for undergrad. You are only a true ivy league student if you went undergrad. Taking classes there or getting some bost bac doesn't make you ivy league? What exact did you get in the Ivy League? I am not exactly sure what you mean by "up in the clouds", as I actually have experiences with these schools, but you seem to have the market cornered on biased opinions with a foundation based on nonsense. I also went to a "public ivy". I went to Penn State University Park. That school that is one of the top 15 publics. You seem to want to engage in an online ****ing contest. Which "public Ivy" did you attend?</p>
<p>HYPS undergrad.</p>
<p>Penn St. is not a public Ivy. Public Ivy refers to Berkeley, UVA, UNC, Michigan and UCLA.</p>
<p>I didn't mean for this to get personal, so I apologize for the Holiday Inn express comment. I just get weary of starry eyed 17-22 year olds thinking of an Ivy as a maiden does her prince charming.</p>
<p>Out of the academic world, how many people really know which school is an Ivy League school? I live in Massachusetts where most of Ivies are around or close. I can assure you that 99% of people and employers can not correctly tell you more than three Ivies.</p>
<p>In the real world, my boss is a graduate from an unknown CT college; there are graduates from MIT, U-Michigan as well as UMass, Fitchburg State, Syracuse etc. Honestly I dont know the difference</p>
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<p>Are such colleges viewed as tickets to becoming rich? If so, my guess is that the students/parents will be disappointed because from what I've seen, many of the rich people who went to HPYS were born into rich families. Others chose professions that allowed them to become reasonably well off such as being doctors or corporate lawyers. In many cases, they could have attained similar professions/wealth by getting top grades at a less highy ranked college and then going to law school or medical school. Students who aspire to be social workers, teachers, ministers, nonprofit directors aren't likely to become rich no matter what colleges they attend.</p>
<p>Are the colleges viewed as having connections that will pay off? I imagine that if one lives or plans to live in D.C., Boston, Philadelphia or NYC, being an Ivy grad will pay off in terms of being able to meet lots of influential people at alumni club meetings. However, as a person who in addition to having lived in D.C. has also lived in several places far from the Ivy towers, I can say that perhaps in most states, those who have attended state flagship U often have far more connections than do Ivy alum simply because of the size of state flagship u.</p>
<p>For example, where I live is a medium sized college town far from Ivies and similar colleges. The people running the local colleges and the city government as well as our major places of work are virtually all graduates of state flagship U or the state public that is the flagship wannabe. The few Ivy grads tend to teach at the universities, and have little power or influence locally.</p>
<p>Is it an a guaranteed excellent academic education? Nope. College is basically what you make it. Many of the Ivies and similar colleges aren't known for their excellence of teaching. True, one may be able to take classes with more Nobel Prize winners than the typical university has. However, that doesn't mean that one will be mentored by them. One probably has a far better chance of getting mentored by an expert by attending a less renowned college known for its nurturing and teaching excellence. Lots of the education at places like HPYS is what one learns by interacting with large groups of peers who are creative, brilliant, independent, etc. This is wonderful for people who best learn through peer interaction. It's not the optimal learning situation for people who best learn through close relationships with nurturing faculty.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I'm a Harvard grad who is glad that I went to Harvard. What has stood me well for a lifetime is the exposure to such fascinating peers who felt that they could do anything. Their hubris about being willing to try anything, and Harvard's allowing them to do that, broadened my perspective forever about what's possible for me and others. I also left Harvard with a lifetime commitment to community service, something that virtually all students there do by choice.</p>
<p>I chose not to enter high paying fields, so I'm not rich (which doesn't bother me). I live in a part of the country that values State Flagship U and State Flagship Wannabee, so my Harvard degree doesn't give me connections where I live. My thoughts are that students in my area who center their lives around getting into Harvard and whose parents take out second mortgages to finance Harvard may feel that they got a bad deal if the students return after graduation to this city because they'll notice that the people who have the connections, respect and power are the ones who had the low priced education at State Flagship and State Flagship Wannabee.
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<p>I doubt anyone will actually read and process that quote, but at least I tried...</p>
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<p>...Via BU.</p>
<p>"Penn St. is not a public Ivy. Public Ivy refers to Berkeley, UVA, UNC, Michigan and UCLA"</p>
<p>Actually, it is. Hell, there were 8 public ivies listed in hte originial list in 1985, not 5. Since then, as schools have changed, Greene's Guide has added to the list in 2001. In the most recent listing, Penn State UP is listed as a Public Ivy. I am not debating that, I just pointing it out to you. Link:</p>
<p>Public</a> Ivies - Everything on Public Ivies (information, latest news, articles,...)</p>
<p>Fortunately, HYPS does not make you omniscient. Plus, why not just say which one you went to? Listing your school as HYPS with the others in that manner shows the importance you place on your undergraduate Ivy league education, as you choose to be grouped in with other top ranked undergraduate schools when people hear about your education. The way you say it shows the inherent advantages that an Ivy league type education, if only by name recognition(there are a lot more benefits than just that), can provide.</p>
<p>So a few people's opinions, okay. What's to stop any of us from writing a book and including whoever we wish?</p>
<p>I'm working on omnicience, but it has thus far eluded me.</p>
<p>I stand corrected on the Public Ivy score.</p>
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<p>In the real world, my boss is a graduate from an unknown CT college; there are graduates from MIT, U-Michigan as well as UMass, Fitchburg State, Syracuse etc. Honestly I dont know the difference
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<p>I beg to differ. There is a definite difference. An Ivy League education gets you further in life than an education at Fitchburg State. I think that's pretty obvious.</p>
<p>But the bottom line is that an Ivy degree doesn't guarantee you wealth/fame/success, and a degree from Fitchburg State doesn't guarantee you'll be poor/living in a box/infamous/working at McDonald's. There are plenty of successful tier 2/3/15 graduates, and there are plenty of unsuccessful Ivy/similar prestige graduates.</p>
<p>In the academia... BROWN HAS A MUCH BETTER REPUTATION THAN UNC! Yes, most people think UNC is better... because most people know that there is a state named North Carolina and it has a university(Great one). The national reps mean nothing... more people know my university, Rutgers than Swarthmore. But hell, Swarthmore poops on Rutgers academically.</p>
<p>I think people vastly overrate academic reputation. Sure, there are certain sectors (often in business) where it most definitely does matter, but outside of that, it's merely a bragging contest.</p>
<p>In the academia, BROWN HAS A MUCH BETTER REPUTATION THAN UNC</p>
<p>Come on, Is there a conclusion that Browns alumni are more successful than those of UNC in the academic fields? </p>
<p>I know at least Brown is a loser in producing the Nobel Laureates. but Swarthmore is a winner!</p>
<p>"BROWN HAS A MUCH BETTER REPUTATION THAN UNC! Yes, most people think UNC is better... because most people know that there is a state named North Carolina and it has a university(Great one)."</p>
<p>I'm not sure that's true, I think most people know that Brown is a better school as it has the stigma of being an Ivy. But whatever, that's not important. National and academic reputations both matter, in that name recognition can distinguish a potential job candidate. If job applicant A went to Rutgers and job applicant B went to Swarthmore, then you cannot assume that B is automatically going to get the job just because they attended a better school (so says Rutgers89). It all depends on the employer, who may favor the Rutgers applicant because Swarthmore is not as universally known. My point is, that a good bet is to attend a well known school with a good academic reputation.</p>
<p>Boston,
I never said if there's X(Brown student) and Y(UNC student) that X will automatically get a job over Y. If I did, I apologize, because I do not believe that. I am talking strictly in the field of academia. In academia, Brown is better than UNC. I am going strictly on the quality of education. I hope I am not coming off as anti-UNC, but I am coming off as Pro-Brown in terms of the best opportunity academically, not so much occupationally.</p>