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A little college called Davidson comes to mind.</p>
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I do. The mixed, sometimes drab architecture at Carolina and the construction don't do much for me.</p>
<p>If I were you, I'd be worried if there wasn't construction on campus. Construction is a sign the school is trying to keep their facilities current so the buildings are probably a lot nicer than outdated ones that haven't been remodeled for a decade. I mean, C'mon, even Ivies have construction on campus and you can't tell me you think Cornell's campus is ugly because there's a bit of construction.</p>
<p>Strongly agree RLAJEN07.
Davidson is a good school. However, Davidson is like one big band camp (kind of like the one in American Pie ). Who would want to go to a four-year band camp when they could go to Carolna? Last I checked they had way less than 2,000 students; hence the class size is too small to even be compared to Carolina.</p>
<p>I live in Winston-Salem but go to UNC. I would say UNC just because you can meet more people, the campus is more diverse and there is actually stuff to do. Winston is pretty boring until you turn 21</p>
<p>Also don't let the look of the campus be a factor. It just isn't that important in the long run.</p>
<p>I am a sophomore at Wake Forest and I am a Business major.</p>
<p>If you want to go into accounting or finance, Wake is the place for you. Our accounting department is one of the best (if not the best) in the nation. This year, Wake accounting students scored the best out of all Universities on the CPA exam. Wake scored highest on three of the four sections, while Harvard scored highest on the one lone section. </p>
<p>The finance department is top-notch as well. While it may not have the reputation of the accounting department, it is still a very good department.</p>
<p>All of my professors in the Calloway school have been wonderful. They are passionate about what they teach, and needless to say they know their stuff. The same goes for every department at Wake, but especially for professors in the Calloway school.</p>
<p>On paper (and according to rankings), Wake and UNC have comparable business schools. However, Wake does not blow the UNC buisness school out of the water for two reasons: grade deflation and name recognition. Wake is a very difficult school, and the Calloway school is extremely difficult. Should this scare you away? No, but you need to be willing to dedicate a lot of time (at least 2-4 hours a day) to your studies. Grade deflation leads to negative student reviews, which lowers national rankings. Meanwhile, UNC is basically a cakewalk compared to Calloway. No offense to UNC business school grads, but it is much easier than Calloway. I have friends (who are equally intelligent as myself) breezing through with A's and B's at UNC, while I am trying to salvage B's. </p>
<p>Name recognition speaks for itself... simply put, UNC is a more recognizable name than Wake Forest.</p>
<p>Wake Forest is the second best academic school in North Carolina. Period. </p>
<p>Overall, both are comparable schools. Both have gorgeous campuses. Both have great ACC sports teams. And both obviously have great academics.</p>
<p>BOTTOM LINE: Come to Wake because of its top-notch accounting and finance programs. Also, you will receive a better education at Wake as it is more rigorous and Liberal Arts. Go to UNC because it is a solid academic school at a solid price. That is a very fair assessment.</p>
<p>Also, this is in response to someone's research about UNC having more National Merit Scholars. Uhh, UNC is a much larger school than Wake, thus leading to more honors for more UNC students. </p>
<p>If you want a REAL stat... Wake has fostered six Rhodes Scholars in the past decade, while UNC has only had four.</p>
<p>"Luxlibertas mentioned how better the facilities are at UNC. I couldn't agree more. Wake's dining hall is atrocious, most importantly the food. Also, Wake's gym, which is not the Miller Center, is by far the oldest in the ACC, as it is over 50 years old. The Miller Center may be nice, but Wake's actual gym is an old and dank cave."</p>
<p>Wake upgraded its dining hall two years ago and I would say the food is above average. It was certainly an improvement to the food court which you are surely thinking of.</p>
<p>Wake's basketball gym is off-campus (The Joel), but I would agree that the on-campus arena, used for intramural sports, is old and worn. Miller Center is a great place to work out.</p>
<p>You said that you are interested in sports... well come to Wake and cheer on the 2006 ACC Football Champions! I know some UNC fan will throw in a jab about Wake's basketball program, but they will be back. We just signed one of the most highly touted centers in the nation (who UNC really wanted), and he will be coming in two years. And hey, Wake's beaten UNC 5 out of the last 6 times in basketball ;-)</p>
<p>Wake also has great intramural participation rates. Over 95% of males play an intramural sport, while roughly 60% of females do as well.</p>
<p>Freakadeac,</p>
<p>About the National Merit Scholars--go back and read my post, I made allowances for the relative sizes of the two schools. I showed that even when you look at PERCENTAGES of the class that are national merit scholars, UNC still does much better.</p>
<p>As I stated before, UNC is only about 3.5 times bigger than Wake, but has 15 times the number of National Merit Scholars. </p>
<p>Your comment about Rhodes Scholars is also dead wrong. UNC has had 6 Rhodes Scholars just in the last 5 years (including 2 this year). </p>
<p>Oh, and to clear up one more error you made. UNC beat Wake twice this season, so Wake hasn't beaten us 5 of the last 6 times. I assume the center you're referring to is Ty Walker. Yes, UNC had shown some interest in him, but they hadn't even offered him a scholarship. ;)</p>
<p>No, Freakadeac, I wasn't referring to Benson's food court. I was referring to the Pit, which has terrible food. Myself, along with my entire hall, dread going to the Pit because of their food. I wouldn't call that food above average. </p>
<p>And as for Ty Walker, I wouldn't count on him just yet. Apparently, Roy Williams is about to start recruiting him, so we'll see how that goes. Wake hasn't beaten UNC since Chris Paul was starting in their backcourt. And from the looks of it, they might not beat them again for a long time. </p>
<p>Finally, as for Rhodes Scholars, I have no idea what you're talking about, because you not only got UNC's number wrong, but you got Wake's wrong too. UNC has had 41, second in the country amongst public universities, while Wake has had 11 overall.</p>
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I think wake might be better because not many people know others, so friendships are created that way. UNC is a lot of people who already know each other which would exclude me somewhat because I am out of state
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<p>Potential out-of-staters are always unduly worried about this. Please believe me when I say that it is not nearly as much of an issue as it is made out to be. True, there are some people who continue to be best buddies with their high school pals for four years, but the vast majority of in-state students that I've encountered really wanted to break free and make a new social life for themselves in college. I came here to Carolina with 22 of my high school classmates, and I only occasionally talk to any of them anymore (mostly when we run into each other on campus or out on Franklin St). I know there are a few who still hang out, but the vast majority of us made new friends quickly when we came to campus rather than relying on our pre-existing social frameworks. Trust me, there are just as many in-staters concerned about getting stuck in a social rut as there are out-of-staters concerned about insular classmates.</p>
<p>Wake Forest is the third best school in North Carolina, behind both Duke and UNC Chapel Hill. The last good basketball player Wake had was Tim Duncan (1996). Wake is nothing special and Tulane is likely a better school!</p>
<p>Just from listening to friends' children who attend UNC--I'll have to support BlueSkies view. Most of these students went to Chapel Hill knowing several students from their hometown and did hang out with them initially--now (end of soph. year) almost all of them have moved on to new relationships with people who share similar interests, activities, majors, etc.</p>
<p>Tim Duncan was not the last good player. Chris Paul, for the hornets. He was rookie of the year, had a great sophomore season and is a true point guard.
Also Josh Howard, a started for the dallas mavericks, a man who will soon be part of the national champion team</p>
<p>"Finally, as for Rhodes Scholars, I have no idea what you're talking about, because you not only got UNC's number wrong, but you got Wake's wrong too. UNC has had 41, second in the country amongst public universities, while Wake has had 11 overall."</p>
<p>I was referring to the number of Rhodes Scholars in the past decade. I got the info from reading the student newspaper, the Old Gold & Black:
<a href="http://ogb.wfu.edu/07/index.php?/ee/article/econ_major_wins_rhodes_scholarship/%5B/url%5D">http://ogb.wfu.edu/07/index.php?/ee/article/econ_major_wins_rhodes_scholarship/</a></p>
<p>And yes, I am referring to Ty Walker. He verballed to Wake Forest roughly a month ago. However, I was incorrect in saying that Wake had beaten UNC 5 out of 6, as UNC won both contests this past season (I thought they only played once). Good catch.</p>
<p>As far as the Pit goes, I still think it is an above average food court. I have never been to UNC's food court, so I can't compare the two. I've been to JMU's food court (better food than Wake) and Richmond's food court (much worse food than Wake). IMO the main reason it gets negative reviews is because it is the only dining option for meal plans... there are other options like Subway and Chick-Fil-A but they don't go towards the meal plan. Personally I enjoy the Pit but it gets old after awhile due to the lack of meal plan options.</p>
<p>"Tim Duncan was not the last good player. Chris Paul, for the hornets. He was rookie of the year, had a great sophomore season and is a true point guard.
Also Josh Howard, a started for the dallas mavericks, a man who will soon be part of the national champion team"</p>
<p>I hope Josh gets a national championship, but the Mavs have their hands full with the Warriors.</p>
<p>Your basketball team will be loaded again this season, with Psycho-T and Ty Lawson returning. Wright will probably go Top 5 in the draft. I'm definitely not looking forward to playing you guys in basketball, but football is a different story ;-)</p>
<p>"Wake Forest is the third best school in North Carolina, behind both Duke and UNC Chapel Hill. The last good basketball player Wake had was Tim Duncan (1996). Wake is nothing special and Tulane is likely a better school!"</p>
<p>False on all counts.</p>
<p>"Wake Forest is the third best school in North Carolina, behind both Duke and UNC Chapel Hill. The last good basketball player Wake had was Tim Duncan (1996). Wake is nothing special and Tulane is likely a better school!"
I will agree that the third second statement is a bit ludicrous. The first, however, is true. </p>
<p>Carolina has too many great basketball players for me to name. Besides current players, the only one I can think of that went to Wake was Muggsy Bogues. <<funny This basically sums up the difference between Wake and Carolina: Mary Easley attended Wake and is the first lady of North Carolina and Mike Easley went to Chapel Hill and is the Governor of the state.</p>
<p>freakadeac: Just in the past decade, you said UNC had only 4 Rhodes Scholars in your earlier post #26. In fact, I believe that number is closer to 8 from UNC in the last decade (link below):</p>
<p><a href="http://alumni.unc.edu/article.asp?SID=3326%5B/url%5D">http://alumni.unc.edu/article.asp?SID=3326</a></p>
<p>Jack, can't argue with you there.</p>
<p>Both schools have good arguments for the honor of the second best college in NC:</p>
<p>Wake: Private Liberal Arts education. More rigorous courses, thus leading to students being well-prepared for jobs after college. Smaller class sizes and more interaction between professors and students. On a similar note, less students "fall through the cracks" at Wake. Overall an intelligent student body from all over the US.</p>
<p>UNC: Better name recognition. Very intelligent out-of-state student body, however in-state student body is not as intelligent (generally speaking). One of the best universities for its price. A more diverse campus.</p>
<p>My Wake bias thinks Wake is the better school for its rigorous Liberal Arts curriculum and small, intimate classes. The bottom line is that both Wake and UNC are great schools with great students.</p>
<p>freakadeac: Well, I think a lot of in-state students would take issue with the "intelligence" remark. OOS score higher on the SAT (about 65 points higher on average), but not sure that necessarily or automatically equals "more intelligent." Naturally, the much smaller percentage of OOS admitted, compared to ~11,000 OOS who apply, means that the competition is tougher, so <em>only</em> top students will be admitted. Obviously, there will be a wider range of in-state student academic ability, certainly in terms of SAT scores. But the top in-state students are certainly on a par academically with <em>all</em> of the OOS; in fact--there are more top in-state students overall than total OOS. </p>
<p>(From website for incoming 2005 (I think) freshman class): "The competition drives up the caliber of out-of-state students, 658 of whom are in this year's freshman class. Their average SAT is 1340, a good 65 points above the 1275 average for native sons and daughters.") </p>
<p>Wake is certainly an excellent school; however, I would not omit Davidson as a top NC college, though. I would also suggest Davidson is a tougher admit than Wake (though it may be smaller--not sure). Agree with your bottom line, though. I think it depends on fit-- if you want a small LAC or a larger research university.</p>
<p>Here's another link, by the way, that lists incoming freshmen SAT scores, separated in-state and OOS, from 2005. (Sorry I couldn't find one any more recent). You have to look at the actual numbers, not percentages-- check out the range 1300-1600 in SAT scores. </p>
<p>Just thought you might find it interesting. I assume you're determining "intelligence" by SAT scores (??)-- </p>