<p>while both schools may be very equal in academics, possibly giving the upper hand to wake, which is better in the grand scheme?
wake is much more expensive (out of state or in state)
wake is much smaller
chapel hill gets nice at basketball
wake is well rounded in sports
both nice campuses, wake barely winning out??????</p>
<p>State your pick and in state or out of state.</p>
<p>Well, for basketball I don't think necessarily Carolina is THAT much better, sure they have a traditionally stronger program, but Wake is still an ACC powerhouse. We won the ACC back to back in 95/96 and were very good in the last few years (besides the last two) with Chris Paul. And in football we are a hell of a lot better.</p>
<p>Academically and for the quality of the student body Wake is a better school. My friends here from North Carolina don't hold UNC in the highest esteem, because more medicore students can get in. At Wake, you are just held to a higher standard, and you will not succeed unless you do work hard. Wake has a beautiful campus, but CH does have a great town.</p>
<p>Your college experience will be better at Wake, the intangibles I mean. This is partially because we are such a small school, but not too small so that it is confining.</p>
<p>The only downsides to Wake that I can think of are the lack of a college town, but then again there is lots to do on campus. The other aspect that some people don't like is the prevalance of greek life on campus. Officially it is 30% of males, but if you take out athletes (which are a very large portion of the student body as we have d-1 sports at such a small school) and kids who soley focus on their acadmics it is a high population. For females it is 66% of the population. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as it seems the people who like Wake the most are those who are in fraternities and such. You should definetly come in with an open mind regarding Greek life. Wake is also a bit conservative, but not overbearing as we are young people, but it is odd to see so many conservative young people (it is actually scary at the same time lol).</p>
<p>Wake and CH are for different people though, they are both great schools, but it seems as though most folks would do better at one or the other.</p>
<p>thanks, im glad i got into wake then because i was really thinking unc was the better of the two. i got wait listed for unc (out of state)</p>
<p>Also, at UNC my friends have told me that a lot of kids know people from high school so they already have friends, at Wake no one really knows anyone. That may be something else to consider.</p>
<p>Interesting question. My son absolutely would not consider UNC when he was in high school. He felt Wake was the #1 school for him and applied ED, was accepted and went. On paper, it did seem like the ideal school and upon visiting, he was even more sure. The student body is/was purported to be upper middle class, white, conservative, fitness conscious, sports-oriented, academically competitive--this all fit him to a "T".</p>
<p>However, in his fourth semester there he is contemplating a transfer to UNC. He has loved his small classes and close relationships with professors. The work load is certainly hard (plus he is pre-med), but the area that is prodding him to make a change is the social life. He did not want to "go Greek" and by not joining a fraternity, one is left out of the social life--even intramural teams after fresh year are often put together by fraternity. It has made it much harder to meet people. Since Winston is not a college town, the social life revolves around campus and that revolves around Greek life (at least according to him).</p>
<p>^^^^</p>
<p>this is the only thing, in my mind, from keeping me from being 100% that i want to go to wake. i dont like answering to high authority like the leaders of the frats/soroities. at wake, i hear they are huge. i, too, am a white, conservative, upper-middle class, sports loving guy. i am already in UNC. I am from the winston area originally before i moved, so NC is home. I am afraid if i do not want to join a frat, that i will be left out. a friend of my family's kid went to wake and transfered to UNC because of all the greek life and it controlled everything. hwoever, others say it isn't all that bad and they've found friends outside of the frats. </p>
<p>before i decide (if i do get into wake), i will definitely consider this. that may be the reason i choose UNC over wake. i love the team, i love the campus, the the frat scene may be too much for a guy like me who likes to do things his way, rahter than follow a group. </p>
<p>i look forward to hearing both sides before i make my decision, but i certainly don't want to feel obligated to join the frats. I have a friend who got in ED as well, and I dont see him as a frat guy, either. He didnt even look at the campus before he applied.</p>
<p>I'm not in a Frat, I don't have anything against them, but I rushed and decided that at the moment it just wasn't for me and I don't have time for the committment. The thing is if you don't join a frat, you need to get involved (as I have) I do Model UN, LEAD (a leadership program), Student Government, College Democrats, Intramurals, will be an RA next year. Some of my friends are greek some of them are not, but don't discount frats entirely. I didn't think I would consider joining one, and I didn't, but I might next semester, it is just something that you have to have an open mind about. The people who don't like Wake seem to be the kids who thought they were better than everyone and who make it obvious that Wake was not their first choice. They don't get involved in actvities and are already considering transferring. Get involved and you will be fine. Even though greek life is big, it isn't the only outlet, especially if you aren't a hardcore partier (like me). Sometimes it is fun to go to a party, but there is lots of other things to do like sporting events, extracuricculars, and above all WORK!
Just don't let the frats dissuade you. The only rought time with that is a few weeks in this semester, because lots of kids are really busy with pledging stuff, but it gets better. Just don't go in with preconcieved notions about fraternities, because they are probably wrong to some degree. Sure some frats fit stereotypes, but some don't and if none of them for you, don't worry because there is still lots of folks who aren't in frats, especially those who don't party a ton.</p>
<p>I'm one of the approximately 30% of girls who isn't in a sorority. I've never regretted not rushing. I also don't feel like I'm really missing anything or that my own activities are hampered by not going Greek. To address a specific point by mkm, intramural teams are not exclusively organized by Greek organizations, to my knowledge. I know that most of the religious organizations have intramural teams, and if you can find enough people to form a team, anyone is able to sign up to be an intramural team (I believe that this is particularly popular for intramural basketball). I'm biased of course, but I don't think that the Greek scene makes it harder for the independents to meet people. You're still in classes with everyone, and there are still tons of extracurricular activities.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that if you don't want to join a fraternity, my own personal opinion is that you'll neither feel obligated to nor will you feel left out if you don't.</p>
<p>i'd definitely love doing model UN and college REPUBLICANS. YOu won't find a person more passionate about politics in my school than myself, not to brag (though i have an heir in the sophomore class). Like I said, I will consider many people's opinions. My high school is a lot like Wake in the sense that it's mostly one type of person and we are known for our partying, but I have been very happy and not gotten involved much with that scene. I just hope I get in wake, first. Still waiting on my letter.</p>
<p>This is a tough question, especially if you're instate. In fact, I still go back and forth in my mind about it, and I'm a sophomore. The things I like about Wake are that the classes are small and your professors know you, and that you can easily get involved in a bunch of activities. Plus, the campus is small enough that you'll bump into people you know all the time. And the sports are great - we're a football school; UNC can't make that claim at the moment ;)</p>
<p>I kind of feel like I'd get lost at UNC, mostly because I'm pretty introverted and find it hard to make friends easily (most of my friends at Wake, I've met through being involved in different clubs, etc.) Also, I'd just pretty much be a number in my classes - well, maybe not so much my upper level major classes, hopefully, but if I had to take any more divisionals, I would. But I absolutely LOVE the city of Chapel Hill, plus there would be even more clubs and activities I could get involved in - they have a club sailing team, which I would love for Wake to have. Plus, a bunch of my good friends go there, and it would be way cheaper.</p>
<p>I didn't mean that the intramurals were exclusively run by Greeks--only that it was harder to find a team to be on if not Greek. For instance my son did do basketball as he could find a group to form a team for that--but he tried to get on a football team and found that they all were formed by frats (or maybe some other group) and was too difficult to find that number to put together independently.</p>
<p>I can't stress enough how great the professors have been at Wake. I haven't had a child go to a large school--but I did back in the day--and I never had the close relationships that my son has developed with some of his profs there at Wake. Leaving the academic environment will be the hardest thing if he does transfer---the lure of living in a "college" town is pulling him in the other direction.</p>