Unconventional application... What are my chances?

<p>Freshman year GPA:
3.1 (four honors classes)
Sophomore year GPA
3.5 (four honors classes)
Junior year GPA
3.85 (2 AP, 3 honors classes)
Senior Year
___GPA (4 AP, 2 honors classes)</p>

<p>I know that part doesn't look good.... </p>

<p>SAT 1: 2290
EC: Started my own five figure non profit (helping animals get surgeries). I have 2 part time employees and put 8 hours of work a week into it.
Weekly food columnist for my county paper (20k subscriptions).
Run of the mills: Senior class treasurer, President of the debate team, President of the business club.</p>

<p>Hooks: Dual Citizen, know a prof., aunt went there (thats probably not a good hook).</p>

<p>So... does my weak initial GPA derail me... or does my EC's and SAT's give me a shot?</p>

<p>you’ll have to wait and see.</p>

<p>i think what should be central to your application is having your main common application essay focus on the emotional motivations of your non-profit (and how you plan to expand that on a global scale later on in college and post-college life), while having your extracurricular common application essay focus on complementing the entrepreneurial and managerial skills you’ve utilized in doing so through your secondary activities like being senior class treasurer or president of the debate team</p>

<p>then have your princeton supplementary essay focus on personal issues/non-activity situations</p>

<p>well that doesnt help!</p>

<p>we can’t tell you what your chances are…only the admissions officer at princeton can…what i’m purely offering you is advice that can possibly maximize your chances</p>

<p>sorry, for some reason I only saw the first line of your previous message. That is useful. So you think I should zoom in on the Non Prof… its interesting… everyone is telling me that that is what will get me into an Ivy. Thanks for your advice.</p>

<p>"So you think I should zoom in on the Non Prof… its interesting… everyone is telling me that that is what will get me into an Ivy. Thanks for your advice. "</p>

<p>They’re well meaning but misinformed. Profs have no say in admissions. What gets people into Ivies is excellence and the ability to convey to admissions that you’ll fill a perceived need.</p>

<p>Certainly any of the top 25 schools will be a reach for you. Be sure to cast a broad net when choosing which schools to target.</p>

<p>Is there a reason your GPA was so low? Overcoming family struggles and showing an upward trend will help you, but you need a 4.0 this year. None of your hooks are really hooks, either. The non-profit will help, but in this day and age it’s not that unique on any Ivy league application… If your essays are spectacular, I’d say you have as good of a shot as anyone.</p>

<p>well my sister struggled with a chronic disease for a year, which probably did drag me down, but honestly my low GPA was mainly because of my silly short sightedness. </p>

<p>I was thinking I could write about how being in my second country (Israel) during its war with Hezbollah shaped my view on conflict and peace… or the management skills I employed to create my non prof (for example, I won a court case with my town over access to government information that has helped shape the debate over privacy/freedom of information)</p>

<p>Im really grappling with wether to apply early action to Princeton, or to a school thats a little easier to get into like Swarthmore (where my mom went)</p>

<p>Your test scores and ECs are already above average, and your dual citizenship is most definitely a great hook. Just continue what you are doing, write great essays and make sure that your teacher recs are glowing. Of course, there is a certain amount of uncertainty for almost anyone applying to an Ivy League school, but I wouldn’t necessarily consider Princeton a reach for you, in fact you seem to be a very strong candidate.</p>

<p>What is your approximate overall GPA for the last 3 years? If I just average the figures you posted, you have about 3.5, which roughly translates to an 88. Is that correct?</p>

<p>If so, that’s kind of low for Princeton and other selective colleges, as MORE weight is placed on the rigor of your course load and GPA rather than your test scores and EC’s. You might want to consider applying to a broad range of non-binding schools in the early round (MIT, UChicago, Georgetown, Your State School) and apply to Princeton and Swarthmore in the RD round.</p>

<p>And please don’t take my word for it, listen to Princeton’s Dean of Admissions: [Part</a> 1: Answers From Princeton’s Dean of Admission - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/guidance-office-princeton-answers-1/]Part”>Part 1: Answers From Princeton's Dean of Admission - The New York Times)</p>

<p>"We look first at the transcript that is sent by your secondary school, and we evaluate the rigor of your program and the grades you have received. If you are in our applicant pool, we expect that you have taken the most demanding academic program offered at your school. You will be challenged when you get to our campus, and we want to be sure you are well prepared to handle our college courses.</p>

<p>We are looking not just at your potential, but at your performance. If you had a slow start to your studies in high school, we hope to see academic improvement.</p>

<p>We then review the recommendation letters that are sent by your teachers and guidance counselor. We read your essay and assess your extracurricular activities, how you have spent your summers, if you have had a job or were engaged in community service, what you may have done outside of school, and any other supporting material.</p>

<p>Admission officers understand that standardized tests measure quantitative ability, critical reading, an understanding of some subject areas, and writing skills. Combined with your grades, they only partially predict first-year performance in college. They do not predict, however, other values we hold in high esteem at the college level, such as motivation, creativity, independent thought, intellectual curiosity and perseverance.</p>

<p>When we shape our class, we look for students who will continually challenge themselves and contribute to a lively exchange of knowledge and ideas in the classroom. We seek students whose interests are varied and who have a record of accomplishment in athletics or the arts. We look for qualities that will help them become leaders in their fields and in their communities."</p>

<p>Yes, my averaged GPA is about a 3.5 for the last three years. I read Princeton doesn’t include Freshman year, and I very much plan on working my butt off for a 4.0 next year. That would mean my average gpa was more like a 3.75. The classes I am taking are rigourous. While I am not in AP or honors Math/Language, I am taking the highest possible classes in History, English, and Science.</p>

<p>Thank you Abeam :). From the feedback I’ve been getting, I think I definitely need to work the extra curricular angle, and emphasize my development in my GPA.</p>

<p>Are other students at your school taking AP’s in many subjects, while you have not done so? As colleges evaluate you in the context of your high school – and your guidance counselor must rate the rigor of your course load as compared to all other college bound students at your school – where do you stack up? Top 2%, top 5%, top 7%, top 10%?</p>

<p>My college counselor hasn’t released that stat yet… certainly top 10%, probably top 5. Most people don’t take more than 3 AP classes because of the rigor at my school (its private). They also only offer like ten total. My GPA, on the other hand, is pretty low for my school, because of the weak start.</p>

<p>The most competitive SCEA Princeton applicants who are non-athletes, non-legacy’s, non-URM’s, generally have 94+ GPA’s (that INCLUDES their freshman year). If you apply SCEA to Princeton with an 88 average, even if admissions excludes your freshman year grades, you will be overshadowed by students that have the same caliber SAT scores with much higher GPA’s – and hence their teacher recommendations will be extolling them as one of brightest students they have had in their teaching career. Honestly, you are going to get lost among the competition in the SCEA pool. IMHO, the best you could hope for would be a deferral. You would be much better off applying to a group of non-binding target schools in the EA round, rather than Princeton or Swarthmore, so that you have at least once acceptance in your back pocket come mid-December. Then, apply to Princeton and Swarthmore in the RD round.</p>

<p>If they ignore freshman year, the GPA would be closer to a 91-92</p>

<p>Ask your guidance counselor if Princeton has accepted anyone from your high school SCEA with a 91-92. My best guess is that a 91-92 is still too low for Princeton, regardless of SAT scores. And ditto for Swarthmore.</p>

<p>:/</p>

<p>Straightforward question - could you have taken a more rigorous courseload?</p>

<p>5 APs is usually the magic number, but if those aren’t available…</p>

<p>I can take five if I push my teacher to let me take AP calc… its an academic risk though, considering math isnt my thing</p>

<p>also Gibby, im a legacy at Swarthmore. Solid hook right there.</p>