undergrad importance

i hear all these ppl saying that undergrad is unimportnat…perhaps they are just bitter they were not admitted anywhere good but i mean doing well at like UCRiverside just doesnt have the same value as an undergrad education at UCLA or Cal right?

<p>RITE............................
community college 4.0 vs. ivy league 3.4
HA</p>

<p>it is unimportant if you plan on going to grad, law or med school.</p>

<p>Obviously, the best thing you can do for your future competitiveness is to go to a well known university and then be academically and socially highly successful there. The problem is that not everyone who gets into a highly regarded and selective U can be the "big man" there. A few are going to rise to the top because of brains, connections, social skills, looks, talent and who knows what else. That doesn't mean that the rest wont get a first class education, most will, but they still have to prove themselves to future employers and professional schools. Now look at the student who goes to a modest school. Maybe he or she will really shine there and get lots of opportunities to prove what they can do. Then the mediocre pretty much invisible Ivy student goes up against the highly regarded modest school student. It is quite possible that "highly regarded" will win the job or professional school spot over "Ivy" and if he doesn't, who cares?</p>

<p>The truth is that once you get out into the real world, people don't care so much where you were educated. You are judged on actual deeds. Smart, skilled, honest, kind.... those qualities aren't hard to spot and they're real hard to fake.</p>

<p>but say pulling a 4.0 at riverside while pulling a 3.0 at LA or Cal n then if ur applying to ivies for grad... i mean obviously the riverside person will be looked down upon</p>

<p>I don't think where you go to undegrad is going to have any direct effect on careers or anything. The best thing to do for undergrad is to go somewhere you are very comfortable, can have a good time, and can learn a lot. That should not limit you to the top 20 schools. Grad school will have some sort of direct impat on careers, but after you worok for about 5 years,you will be judged by how well you do your job, not your credentials, at least that is what I have heard and what makes the most sense. If grad schools just accepted students from the best schools, then wouldn't all of the good grad schools be absolutely full with Ivy grads? That is not the case, they don't want to accept hundreds of students from one school. In the same way that students at top private schools hvae more trouble getting into top colleges, students at the very top colleges will probably haev more trouble getting into top graduate schools.</p>

<p>Okay heres the deal, FOR GRADUATE SCHOOL undergrad matters ALOT, and by alot I mean you have to attend one, lol which one doesnt matter at all or matters very little. Grad school are very number oriented so in real life Yale law would rather take a 4.0 at UCR over a 3.5 at say UC Berkeley let alone a 3.0 as some one posted earlier. The great equalizer in the graduate school admission game are the admission test which trump both your GPA and SChool attended in terms of importance, so for law school you will need at least a 168 last to even consider a top 5 law school even if your a 4.0 student at walla walla university or Harvard.</p>

<p>so why on Earth is ANYONE applying to the top 25 (particularly Chicago, MIT, Cal Tech, Swarthmore) if all that matters from your undergrad is one number, and you have a better chance of getting a better number at your local state school?</p>

<p>Harvard 3.0 < 3.8 UC Riverside</p>

<p>Berkeley 3.0> UC Riverside 3.0</p>

<p>Harvard 3.5 > Riverside 3.6</p>

<p>What I mean is dont expect to get into a top graduate school just because you went to an Ivy League school, you will need top scores and grades just like everyone else who is apply from not so prestigious shcools. Im only familiar with Law School , but in general Grad schools tend to be very number oriented.</p>

<p>then wut is the point in going to a good undergrad school then. i mean obviously ucriverside is ridiculously easier than cal</p>

<p>well i wouldnt say it is "ridiculously " easier, go where you think you will do best, if that is UC Berkeley then goto UC Berkeley if thats UC Riverside then go there. goto lawschoolnumbers.org and check out the people who got into top law schools such as Umich or UVA or UPENN.</p>

<p>If you are going to college strictly to win yourself an impressive transcript and admission to graduate school, there is no point.</p>

<p>I believe that most people are looking for more than that, though. </p>

<p>Your personality is shaped by the people around you; going to a selective college can help you find more motivated and intelligent people to support you. Also, don't forget the activities, internships, and research opportunities available to you at a selective college.</p>

<p>well im juss trying to prove that going to UCR basically heavily screws ur admissoin into a good graduatae... i wanna kno if that is true</p>

<p>okay goto the best school u get into, in which case would be berkeley for you, go there and get great scores and grades, and get into whatever grad school that might tickle your fancy, however dont expect a degree from berkeley to equal automatic admission into a grad school, as a degree from UCR would not equal an automatic rejection.</p>

<p>i kno that... its juss i've seen the things riverside has students do... n well its not difficult at all... prolly less difficult than the ap classes at my school</p>