Unis and LACs rank ordered by Ave. 25/75 SAT

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<p>Not sure if I have seen this posted lately. I decided to update my figures from the IPEDS database to see whether scores are going up, down, or static. The figure is the arithmetic average of the 25th% and 75% as normally found in the Common Data Set (which is I assume where IPEDS gets its feed). For the most part the scores seem about where they were two years ago, the last time I checked. This is the top 30.</p>

<p>Caltech 1515
Yale 1495
Harvey Mudd 1495
Harvard 1485
Princeton 1485
Pomona 1475
MIT 1470
Duke 1460
Wash U 1460
Dartmouth 1440
Stanford 1435
Columbia 1435
Swarthmore 1435
Northwestern 1435
Brown 1430
Williams 1430
Amherst 1430
Rice 1425
Penn 1425
U of Chicago 1420
Tufts 1420
Notre Dame 1415
Vanderbilt 1415
Claremont McKenna 1400
Cornell 1400 (includes hotel, Ag, all) I assume CAS + Engineering is much higher.
Johns Hopkins 1400
Carleton 1400
Washington & Lee 1400
Carnegie Mellon 1395
Wesleyan 1395</p>

<p>It is remarkable to me, with the focus of higher education being generally on the upper east coast of the US, to find three of the six highest scoring student bodies located within 25 miles of each other in Southern California... and two on the same physical plant... if there is not irony in that ... :)</p>

<p><a href="https://www.collegedata.com/cs/search/college/college_search_tmpl.jhtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;https://www.collegedata.com/cs/search/college/college_search_tmpl.jhtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>What is even more remarkable is the 100% certainty that the above list will NEVER be used by RML for one of his notorious rankings.</p>

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<p>It seems that you go to Africa for 10 days and then to North Pole for 10 days is the same as you stay in LA for 20 days. :slight_smile: Those SAT scores are curved. 10-point difference may mean a lot.</p>

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<p>Just curious, what’s the basis of this assertion?</p>

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<p>the data seems incorrect or outdated:</p>

<p>Take Columbia: on College board if you take the mid-point of the middle 50% math and CR scores and add them up you get 1455, if you take the average of the accepted class you get: (1410+1540)/2 = 1475</p>

<p>[Admission</a> Statistics | Columbia University Office of Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/applications/stats.php]Admission”>http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/applications/stats.php)
[College</a> Search - Columbia University - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>

<p>Chicago: should be approx 1465:</p>

<p>[College</a> Search - University of Chicago - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>

<p>duke should be approx 1440: </p>

<p>[College</a> Search - Duke University - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>

<p>others like Pomona, Dartmouth and Stanford add up accurately.</p>

<p>Also now that we are on a 2400 scale, might as well include the writing section.</p>

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<p>I think confidentialcoll is right about there being some slight differences. Not sure what the cause is, but below is the SAT data from USNWR online for the Top 75 nat’l unis and Top 40 LACs. </p>

<p>I should add that soon there will be new data available for the classes that enrolled in Fall, 2009. The currently available data from USNWR & others is for Fall, 2008 entering students. Having already seen the CDS info from many colleges for their 2009 students, there were serveral colleges with not insignificant changes from 2008-2009. </p>

<p>1515 , Caltech
1495 , Harvey Mudd
1490 , Yale
1485 , Harvard
1485 , Princeton
1475 , Pomona
1470 , MIT
1465 , U Chicago
1460 , Wash U
1455 , Columbia
1445 , Northwestern
1440 , Duke
1440 , Dartmouth
1435 , Swarthmore
1435 , Stanford
1430 , Brown
1425 , U Penn
1425 , Rice
1420 , Williams
1420 , Amherst
1420 , Tufts
1415 , Vanderbilt
1410 , Claremont McK
1410 , Notre Dame
1405 , Bowdoin
1405 , Emory
1400 , Carleton
1400 , W&L
1400 , Johns Hopkins
1400 , Cornell
1400 , Georgetown
1395 , Vassar
1395 , Carnegie Mellon
1390 , Haverford
1390 , Wesleyan
1380 , Oberlin
1380 , Bard
1375 , Middlebury
1375 , Hamilton
1370 , USC
1370 , Brandeis
1368 , Wellesley
1365 , Davidson
1365 , Colgate
1360 , Macalester
1355 , Colby
1350 , Scripps
1345 , Bates
1345 , Barnard
1345 , NYU
1345 , WILLIAM & MARY
1343 , Grinnell
1340 , UC BERKELEY
1340 , Boston College
1335 , Kenyon
1335 , Whitman
1335 , GEORGIA TECH
1335 , Rensselaer
1335 , Tulane
1330 , U VIRGINIA
1325 , U MICHIGAN
1325 , U Rochester
1320 , Wake Forest
1315 , Colorado College
1315 , Mt. Holyoke
1315 , Lehigh
1310 , Bucknell
1310 , Case Western
1305 , Bryn Mawr
1300 , U N CAROLINA
1290 , Occidental
1290 , Trinity
1290 , UCLA
1290 , U ILLINOIS
1285 , U Miami
1280 , Smith
1280 , Lafayette
1280 , U WISCONSIN
1280 , George Washington
1280 , Worcester
1275 , Furman
1275 , U MARYLAND
1270 , U FLORIDA
1270 , Boston University
1265 , US Naval Acad
1265 , U Richmond
1265 , Holy Cross
1260 , U PITTSBURGH
1255 , Sewanee
1255 , UC SAN DIEGO
1250 , US Military Acad
1245 , U MINNESOTA
1245 , SMU
1235 , BYU
1230 , U TEXAS
1230 , OHIO STATE
1230 , Pepperdine
1230 , CLEMSON
1225 , U GEORGIA
1225 , Fordham
1215 , U WASHINGTON
1210 , Yeshiva
1210 , U DELAWARE
1205 , U IOWA
1205 , VIRGINIA TECH
1200 , UC S BARBARA
1200 , PENN STATE
1200 , RUTGERS
1200 , U CONNECTICUT
1195 , UC IRVINE
1190 , TEXAS A&M
1175 , UC DAVIS
1170 , Syracuse
1155 , UC S CRUZ
1150 , PURDUE
1150 , INDIANA U
1150 , MICHIGAN ST
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<p>from IPEDS 2007
SAT 25th and 75th percentiles</p>

<p>California Institute of Technology 1470 1580
Harvey Mudd College 1430 1560
Harvard University 1400 1590
Yale University 1390 1580
Princeton University 1390 1580
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1380 1560
Pomona College 1380 1530
Washington University in St Louis 1370 1530
Dartmouth College 1350 1550
Swarthmore College 1360 1540
Stanford University 1340 1550
Columbia University in the City of New York 1330 1540
Duke University 1330 1540
Cornell - Arts & Sci and Engineering 1335 1525
Amherst College 1330 1530
Brown University 1330 1530
University of Chicago 1320 1530
University of Pennsylvania 1330 1520
Williams College 1320 1520
Tufts University 1340 1490
Northwestern University 1320 1500
Rice University 1310 1510
University of Notre Dame 1300 1510
Claremont McKenna College 1300 1500
Carleton College 1310 1490
Cornell University 1290 1500
Georgetown University 1300 1490
Wellesley College 1300 1480
Reed College 1310 1470
Carnegie Mellon University 1290 1490
Haverford College 1290 1490
Vanderbilt University 1300 1480
Wesleyan University 1290 1480
Emory University 1300 1470
Bowdoin College 1300 1470
Johns Hopkins University 1280 1490
Washington and Lee University 1310 1460
Vassar College 1300 1450
Middlebury College 1270 1480
University of Southern California 1270 1460
Scripps College 1280 1440
Colby College 1280 1440
Brandeis University 1260 1460</p>

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<p>by math SAT</p>

<p>California Institute of Technology 770 800
Harvey Mudd College 740 800
Cornell Engineering 720 800
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 720 800
Harvard University 700 790
Princeton University 700 790
Yale University 690 790
Cornell Arts & Sciences and Engineering 690 785
Washington University in St Louis 690 780
Pomona College 690 760
Stanford University 680 790
Dartmouth College 680 780
Duke University 680 780
Carnegie Mellon University 680 780
University of Pennsylvania 680 770
Swarthmore College 680 760
Lehigh University 680 710
Columbia University in the City of New York 670 780
Rice University 670 780
Brown University 670 770
Northwestern University 670 760
Tufts University 670 740
Cornell University 660 770
University of Notre Dame 660 760
Amherst College 660 760
Williams College 660 760
Emory University 660 740
Carleton College 660 740
Vanderbilt University 660 740
University of Chicago 650 760
Johns Hopkins University 650 760
Claremont McKenna College 650 750
University of Southern California 650 740
Georgetown University 650 740
Wesleyan University 650 730
Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus 650 730
Bowdoin College 650 730
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 650 730
Washington and Lee University 650 720
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 640 740
Haverford College 640 740
Middlebury College 640 740
Wellesley College 640 730
Colby College 640 720
Davidson College 640 713
Vassar College 640 710
Brandeis University 630 730
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 630 730
Boston College 630 720
University of Rochester 630 720
Worcester Polytechnic Institute 630 710
Colgate University 630 710
Wake Forest University 630 710
Reed College 630 710
Bucknell University 630 710
Scripps College 630 700
University of California-Berkeley 620 740
Grinnell College 620 720
New York University 620 720
Case Western Reserve University 620 720
Macalester College 620 710
Stevens Institute of Technology 620 710
College of William and Mary 620 710
Barnard College 620 700
Whitman College 620 700
Colorado College 620 690
University of California-Los Angeles 610 720
University of Virginia-Main Campus 610 720
Oberlin College 610 710
Lafayette College 610 710
University of Wisconsin-Madison 610 710
Connecticut College 610 700
Wheaton College 610 700
Trinity College 610 690
SUNY at Binghamton 610 690
Kenyon College 610 690
University of Richmond 610 690
Gettysburg College 610 670
University of California-San Diego 600 700
University of Maryland-College Park 600 700
St. Olaf College 600 700</p>

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<p>As all schools are not yet reporting their SAT Writing scores, it’s harder to make the 2400 comparisons. However, writing is part of the ACT. Here is how the schools compare on their ACT 25/75 mid-point:</p>

<p>34 , Caltech
34 , Harvey Mudd</p>

<p>33 , Harvard</p>

<p>32.5 , MIT
32.5 , Notre Dame
32.5 , Princeton
32.5 , Wash U
32 , Duke
32 , Pomona
32 , Rice
32 , Stanford
32 , Yale</p>

<p>31.5 , Columbia
31.5 , Dartmouth
31.5 , Emory
31.5 , Northwestern
31.5 , Tufts
31.5 , U Penn
31.5 , Vanderbilt
31 , Amherst
31 , Bowdoin
31 , Carleton
31 , Carnegie Mellon
31 , Claremont McK
31 , Cornell
31 , Johns Hopkins
31 , Middlebury
31 , Vassar
31 , Wesleyan
31 , Williams</p>

<p>30.5 , Brandeis
30.5 , Brown
30.5 , Colgate
30.5 , Swarthmore
30.5 , Tulane
30.5 , USC
30 , Colorado College
30 , Davidson
30 , Grinnell
30 , Kenyon
30 , Macalester
30 , Oberlin
30 , Scripps
30 , Wellesley
30 , Whitman</p>

<p>29.5 , Barnard
29.5 , Bates
29.5 , Colby
29.5 , Georgetown
29.5 , NYU
29.5 , U Chicago
29.5 , U VIRGINIA
29.5 , W&L
29.5 , WILLIAM & MARY
29 , Bryn Mawr
29 , Bucknell
29 , Case Western
29 , GEORGIA TECH
29 , Mt. Holyoke
29 , U Miami
29 , U MICHIGAN
29 , U Rochester
29 , Wake Forest</p>

<p>28.5 , U ILLINOIS
28.5 , U N CAROLINA
28 , Furman
28 , Lafayette
28 , Occidental
28 , Sewanee
28 , Smith
28 , Trinity
28 , U Richmond
28 , U WISCONSIN
28 , UCLA</p>

<p>27.5 , Boston University
27.5 , BYU
27.5 , CLEMSON
27.5 , George Washington
27.5 , OHIO STATE
27.5 , Pepperdine
27.5 , SMU
27.5 , U FLORIDA
27.5 , U PITTSBURGH
27.5 , US Military Acad
27.5 , Worcester
27 , Fordham
27 , U TEXAS
27 , UC SAN DIEGO</p>

<p>26.5 , Rensselaer
26.5 , U DELAWARE
26.5 , U GEORGIA
26.5 , U MINNESOTA
26.5 , U WASHINGTON
26 , INDIANA U
26 , PURDUE
26 , TEXAS A&M
26 , U CONNECTICUT
26 , UC S BARBARA</p>

<p>25.5 , Syracuse
25.5 , U IOWA
25 , MICHIGAN ST
25 , UC DAVIS
25 , Yeshiva
24.5 , UC S CRUZ</p>

<p>na , UC BERKELEY
na , Boston College
na , Lehigh
na , UC IRVINE
na , PENN STATE
na , U MARYLAND
na , RUTGERS
na , VIRGINIA TECH
na , Haverford
na , US Naval Acad
na , Hamilton
na , Holy Cross
na , Bard</p>

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<p>I think when you’re making these lists based on SAT scores, the schools that are SAT optional should be put in parenthesis. It’s not fair to compare schools that have to average in each student’s scores with schools that can use only the favorable scores students choose to submit, i.e. Bowdoin, Wake Forest, Bates, Bard, Mt. Holyoke, Connecticut College, Colby… Until SAT optional schools have to average in all admitted student scores, whether used or not for admittance, they really skew this particular landscape.</p>

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<p>Because I don’t know how you guys (hawkette and collegehelp) manage to merge this data so nicely, would it be possible to do the same for at least some of the highly ranked Master’s Universities so we could see where they might fit in with these other schools? Say, amybe the top 5 in each region?</p>

<p>TIA</p>

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<p>gloworm-
Check this thread:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/563455-most-selective-colleges-based-sats.html?highlight=based+SATs[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/563455-most-selective-colleges-based-sats.html?highlight=based+SATs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I am going to bump the above thread.
It contains lists by state and a masters list.</p>

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<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>In hawkette’s list that would put it just above Occidental, and in the ACT list in the group w/UMICH, et.al. Good to know.</p>

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<p>Columbia ACTIVELY selects for SAT scores. This is no secret and common knowledge at the nyc high school that I attended. There is no way that the caliber of Columbia’s student body matches that of, for instance, MIT or Stanford. (Most of the highest scoring Columbia students, the Fu engineers, could not get into either MIT or Stanford). </p>

<p>At my high school, everyone who gets into MIT or Stanford gets into Columbia; the overwhelming majority of students who get into Columbia do not get into MIT or Stanford.</p>

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<p>And we are supposed to believe that such numbers are correct for the ENROLLED freshman class at Chicago? Do they have a bridge to sell aound Hyde Park too? I understand that the Chicago officials have been able to revamp their USNews scores by reworking the numbers, but there is a limit to one’s gullibility.</p>

<p>More than 25% of their ENROLLED class scores above 780 on BOTH Verbal and Math portion of the SAT? Yeah right! What was the admitted class? Over 800? </p>

<p>Let’s check Chicago’s CDS … when they decide to let the public see it!</p>

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<p>Wow, that’s a really obnoxious attitude you’ve got going there, xiggi.</p>

<p>And yes, those are the actual stats of the incoming class at the University of Chicago. And of the people I know here, yes, I would say that that’s an accurate statistic. Of course, as someone with absolutely no affiliation with the school, you would know better than anyone, right?</p>

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<p>Phuriku, who is it that has an obnoxious attitude here? I hope you’ll soon learn the difference between making a general statement and an ad hominem.</p>

<p>Are only freshmen at Chicago supposed to know the real numbers? Need an affiliation to the school to understand admission statistics? </p>

<p>Do you understand why people who have been tracking this type of statistics for a while look at the report of 75% SAT scores of 780 for Chicago with the greatest amount of incredulity. The most charitable version is that it is a typo. </p>

<p>And please do not hesitate to point us in the direction of verifiable and accurate numbers. Should we trust the numbers posted on the school website less than this “report?”</p>

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<p>collegehelp, your Lehigh typo (it was obvious that the 25-75 range couldn’t be 30 points) piqued my curiosity and I found some interesting data on the school when I looked up the CB scores:</p>

<p>SAT Critical Reading: 590 - 630
SAT Math: 630 - 710 </p>

<p>Is the CR range really so narrow? It seems remarkable almost that half its student body can have such similar CR scores. If someone posted this I likely would have suspected a typo as well; well, I guess not.</p>

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<p>Of course it is a typo. A typo that the US News World and Report also apparently made. (Isn’t it weird when two independent institutions make the same typo? It’s sometimes funny how often that occurs…)</p>

<p>It is not an issue of being familiar with how selectivity works. Judging that the reported statistics are incorrect requires an extreme familiarity with the given institution, something that you do not possess. Therefore, your judgments are premature. Most people looking at these statistics would also express extreme surprise that Caltech has significantly higher statistics than Harvard and that Pomona has higher statistics than MIT. However, this surprise disappears once you become familiar with these institutions. The same logic necessarily applies to Chicago. Chicago is an institution that above all cherishes rigorous inquiry and meritocracy. Why wouldn’t you expect that its SATs come right under MIT and right above Wash U? Only an iron bias against the school would lead you to make such a strong conclusion. Of course, as indicated by other threads, this is a bias that you certainly hold.</p>

<p>Of course, the fact that you inferred that having 780 at 75th percentile for both M and V implies that 25% of students have over 780 score on both M and V already suggests a lack of analytic ability.</p>

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<p>Considering that Harvard has by far the highest yield rate of any college (as far as I know), and that they do get thousands of kids with 1500+ scores, probably hundreds if not thousands with perfect 1600s, logically if they had any desire to have the highest test scores in the country, they easily could. </p>

<p>Instead however, they follow a holistic acceptance process that values things like leadership, extracurricular involvement, diversity etc more highly than test scores, as opposed to Caltech, which would seem to strongly favor those with higher high test scores above all else. </p>

<p>I’m not advocating for one admissions process over another, but I think all this shows (at the level of highly selective colleges at least) is how much each individual college values the SAT test, not the caliber of the student body (or institution).</p>