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With the state of Michigan going down the economic drain, UM should worry about staying ahead of Wisconsin.
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<p>I will take that as a horrible attempt at sarcasm.</p>
<p>If you're being serious, w t f has that got to do with the quality of the university?</p>
<p>U Michigan is without a doubt, a great school, I was just saying that Northwestern has better "prestige" - if you want to call it that, in the programs that I'm interested in (journalism, international studies-U Michigan doesn't offer an intl. studies major, pretty much the main reason why I chose not to apply there). U Michigan would be the place to go for undergrad business in particular, but for undergrad economics, Northwestern <em>might</em> have the edge there.</p>
<p>Ah, Nick, UM gets substantial funding from the state. Due to the bad economy that money has gone down significantly over the last few years. They have increased tuition so high that they are losing some people due to cost. They have done well with raising the endowment but it takes $1 Billion of endowment to equal $50 Million from the state annually.</p>
<p>As evidence UW just passed UM in total research funding for the first time in many years. If things don't improve it will begin to have a significant negative impact.</p>
<p>^^ oooohh....i'm scared. That means my classes will be over enrolled, all the best teachers will start leaving the school, and talented students will start chosing Wisconsin over Michigan, which means Michigan will be a crap university in a few years and continue to charge exorbitant tuition for OOS students. </p>
<p>Wisconsin doesn't even match Michigan in terms of the strength of the student body. Just because the funding will go down doesn't mean Michigan won't be as prestigious anymore.</p>
<p>FYI, Michigan has the 7th or 8th largest endowment in the nation and despite the state's troubles it's still financially stable. Your comments make no sense.</p>
<p>UM has an average ACT of 29 and UW is 28. They are not far apart as of now. UW accepts 56% and UM 50%. A few years ago the gaps were larger.
I know exactly how large UM's endowment is and it's not big enough to make up for declining state funding over time. The problem is there is no end in sight for the state's economic slide into a depression. It already has some of the worst indicators as far a unemployment, declining home values, and foreclosures go.<br>
No, it won't be crap anytime soon. But it might have problems it has not had in the past either.</p>
<p>Last week on USA Today, there was an article on population growth and housing prices of different states. A table showed that Michigan was the only state with negative population growth since 2001. While UMich is doing well and stable for now, the health of the state's economy is a legit concern.</p>
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With the state of Michigan going down the economic drain, UM should worry about staying ahead of Wisconsin.
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<p>Isn't Wisconsin part of the Rust Belt too?</p>
<p>Let's not forget, "There truly is a Michigan difference"...</p>
<p>Yes, but much less auto related. Dairy and other farming is going great. Manufacturing is more heavy equipment like cranes and earthmovers--doing well overseas due to weak $$$. Overall while not great the economy is good leading the Midwest and outstanding in Madison with biotech and software really starting to take off.</p>
<p>^ True. </p>
<p>Ann Arbor took a hit when Pfizer closed its labs. Sad...</p>
<p>I'm not sure what we're doing discussing U-M with other schools (besides NWestern) but I think some other points could be made.</p>
<p>barrons is correct that state funding has lessened considerably. It's a source of concern, no argument there. However, I think the statement about tuition increases may be alarmist--we've certainly increased tuition (and have always had relatively high fees) but those increases have not been out of line with our peers, even peers in states whose economies are more robust. Michigan's 5-year average tuition increases for resident and nonresident undergrads are among the lowest in the Big Ten--and lower than Wisconsin's. </p>
<p>It doesn't appear to be driving students away. Apps have increased every year, and yield remains very strong.</p>
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For the record, 40% of the University of Michigan's student body comes from out-of-state.
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<p>it's 34% </p>
<p>College</a> Search - SAT Registration - College Admissions - Scholarships</p>
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I would gather to say the avg SAT is about 1450 for those admitted at the sophomore year [into the ross school of business]
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<p>actually it's 1333. 1450 would be well above the top 25th percentile</p>
<p>^that's actually the average for the whole school, not Ross.</p>
<p>^^ not true, check the college board data.</p>
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they have a kellogg certificate program which is >>>>> than the ross school of business.
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<p>I don't believe Northwestern is more respected than michigan everywhere in the world.</p>
<p>Just the places that count!</p>
<p>I kid, I kid.</p>
<p>Well, Northwestern is certainly more reputable in the midwest. Behind HYPM(Stanford gets no love in the midwest), Northwestern is the big name in midwest, in general. I'm not saying it's the best school in the midwest, but it's got the best name prestige behind HYPM.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I'd argue that Michigan is less reputable/prestigious in the midwest than it is outside of the midwest. I think this is because of it's football reputation. Most people in the midwest just see it as a football school and don't really think much of its academic quality.</p>
<p>Before you say, "I'm from the midwest and I've always though Michigan was a great school," let me explain. I'm coming at this from a more plebeian perspective. Obviously if you're on this site, you have a better understanding of this issue than John "Big 10" Doe.</p>
<p>^Are you saying that ND is the best school in the Midwest? O.o
UChicago and Northwestern are probably on the same level, although they're VERY different in some ways.</p>
<p>1450 for those students admitted to Ross at the end of frosh yr and the actual out-of-state percentage is 37% but I rounded. Regardless, the number is still huge for a state school. Most state schools including UCLA, Cal, (UVA, and UNC regulated by state) are less than 20%, but Michigan has a huge national rep compared to most state school making it more like a private in this sense.</p>
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Are you saying that ND is the best school in the Midwest? O.o
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<p>Not after this season. O_o</p>