<p>Dude, those were just my opinions. It’s nice that you looked up everything that I said to verify, but mostly, those were opinions. Also, you might not think that UNC is diverse, but it is diverse in many accounts. Just because you have more international students doesn’t mean you are more diverse, and again, UMich is ovbisouly going to have more international students than UNC since it is a LARGER school. Lastly, Michigan football is on the decline whether you like it or not. They currently aren’t even RANKED, and they are now 8th in the Big 10. In the first four games of the 2009 season they have exceeded the number of total wins from the 2008 season, yet they barely have a winning record (5-4). Just because they have good recruits and die-hard fans doesn’t mean they are winning.</p>
<p>Harambee, opinions are great, but they should be substantiated with fact. Stating an incorrect opinion will only invite criticism and ridicule. If I stated that Michigan was better than Stanford or Yale, it would be an opinion, and I would certainly be entitled to it, but I would probably be ridiculed. </p>
<p>“Just because you have more international students doesn’t mean you are more diverse, and again, UMich is ovbisouly going to have more international students than UNC since it is a LARGER school.”</p>
<p>Again, Michigan is roughly 1.6 times larger than UNC and yet, has an international population 7 times larger. That a 500% difference when adjusting for size. And like I said, only 15% of UNC’s undergraduate student population is OOS compared to 30% at Michigan. Those aren’t huge differences mind you, but I would definitely not say that UNC is diverse. It has some great attributes though. UNC was founded in the 18th century. It has produced more Rhodes scholars than any public university in the nation. It has amazing academics. Chapel Hill is a gorgeous town and the UNC campus is beautiful, spirited, lively etc… But diversity is not a word that you will be able to associate to UNC with a knowledgeable public and get away with it.</p>
<p>As for football, Michigan was on the decline in 2008, when it went 3-9, its first losing, bowl-less season in 40 years. This year, Michigan is 5-4 and still limping, but it is improving. If the next three years remain sub 0.750 season, I would agree that Michigan is on the decline. Right now, it would appear that Michigan is improving, but still a couple of years from returning to its usual dominant self.</p>
<p>do they teach the concept of proportion/percentage in chapel hill?</p>
<p>Your idea of diversity is not my idea of diversity. You might think that UNC is not diverse, but I certainly think it is. Diversity is also relative, I don’t measure diversity just by how many International students there are, although that is an important part of any school’s diversity. Either way, I still think UNC is diverse. Also, UNC has a cap by law on how many OOS students it can admit so, that’s also something to consider when comparing it to UMich, which can admit an unlimited number of OOS students as far as I know.</p>
<p>As for Michigan football, I’ve never been a wolverine fan, so it’s just weird seeing them having a losing season after being a top team since I can remember. I’m sure they’ll probably rebound though, they have some good recruits coming, so we’ll see.</p>
<p>UNC may be diverse, but it definitely isn’t as diverse as UMich. Though I do agree that the UNC basketball tradition>Michigan football tradition, especially in the past couple years. You could make the argument that UNC is the best basketball school in the country, while Michigan’s football program is top 10. Also, Chapel Hill is not better than Ann Arbor, as both are recognized as the ideal college towns.</p>
<p>I currently attend Michigan and have a friend that attends UNC, and Michigan has more diversity from my experiences. In all honesty though, every college is hopping on the bandwagon and claiming that they have a diverse student body, but in reality we all know that’s far from true. UNC has the stereotype as being the “most” liberal school in the south and is probably more diverse than any other ACC or SEC school, but they still have a strong republican base and Southern tendencies. While Michigan is more diverse than UNC, and has more students from multiple backgrounds, it is dominated by the White/Asian middle to upper class polo, north-face wearing crowd (if you don’t agree with me go to the Diag during weekdays during 10 am- 3pm normal class times and ill bet you can count 50 people within 10 min that have north face or polo on). You shouldn’t go to either school based on diversity, it should be based on academic quality for your program/field, a little bit prestige, your passion for the school, and if you feel that you fit in or not. While UNC is a good school, Michigan is better in many fields such as Business, Economics, Engineering, Biology (Pre-Medical Fields), Social Sciences, Law, etc. The decision is up to you though, yes our football program is down and we definitely can’t compare to UNC at all as far as basketball tradition. However, if you think UNC has more school spirit than Michigan, I can guarantee that you have never tailgated on State street or Hill st. on Michigan Football Saturdays, trust me, it’s WILD.</p>
<p>Michigan has a football tradition that is every bit as strong as UNC has in basketball. It’s two different sports, so they are hard to compare. I will say that there is NOTHING comparable in any sport to college football. You can’t have 100,000 people watching a basketball game outdoors with marching bands at halftime. Football>>>basketball.</p>
<p>rm, statistically, Michigan is the #1 football program. It has more wins than any other program, it has the highest overall winning percentage, it has a winning record over most top 10 programs, including Notre Dame (21-15-1), OSU (57-42-6), Alabama (2-1), Nebraska (4-2-1), Penn State (10-5), Florida (2-2). Michigan is also 1-1 vs FSU, Georgia and Miami. The only programs Michigan has an 0-1 record against are Texas, LSU, Oklahoma. Quite possibly its most impressive record is against USC, against whom Michigan has managed to go 4-6, despite the fact that the game was always played in LA, where temperatures 40-50 degrees warmer than what the players are used to and with a crowd clearly in favor of the home team.</p>
<p>From a rankings point of view, Michigan is second in AP and Coaches top 5 (15 in 72 years) season-end finishes and first in top 10 (44 in 72 years) season-end finishes.</p>
<p>Attendance at Michigan games generally leads the nation. I think only twice in the last 30 years has Michigan not been #1 in stadium attendance.</p>
<p>Overall, as far as traditions and school pride and spirit goes, there isn’t a single respected sports analyst or critic that would would rate UNC’s basketall program above Michigan’s football program…or vice versa. Those are two of the top 5 college athletics programs on Earth.</p>
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<p>Harambee, I will give you my two cents about Chapel Hill because I am very familiar with North Carolina. I have ancestral roots in the state, and I often visit the Research Triangle Park area. </p>
<p>With the exception of Charlotte, Chapel Hill is a diverse college town compared to the rest of the state (which is notably rural and/or Republican). The campus is gorgeous (I love the planetarium and botanical gardens) and offers plenty of excellent opportunities for state residents. With the net migration of Northerners and businesses relocating to the area, it will be very interesting to analyze how the state changes culturally and politically in future decades.</p>
<p>However, I agree with the others that U-M is more diverse than UNC. Chapel Hill has 53,000 residents, whereas Ann Arbor has 114,000 residents. That is a significant difference. UNC has a smaller OOS/international population than U-M (again, another significant difference considering college is the first time for many high school graduates to meet peers from other socioeconomic and cultural backgrounds.) U-M has a better national and international academic reputation than UNC. Although I enjoy visiting Chapel Hill, I would not say that UNC is as diverse as U-M.</p>
<p>I concede. But you can’t say that UNC is NOT diverse. The school isn’t homogeneous or anything.</p>
<p>@Alexandre - explain the last couple of seasons of Michigan football. Clearly it declined. It’s true that you can’t compare UNC basketball with Michigan football, but still. UNC won a championship last year while Michigan had a losing season so it’s not a stretch to say that Michigan football declined, at least in 2008.</p>
<p>Harambee, Michigan went 33-16 from 1993-1996, and followed those 4 mediocre (by Michigan standards) seasons with a 32-5 run in 1997-1999, winning a National Championship one year and beating Alabama in the Organge bowl another. The game has ups and downs. Last year, this year and most likely next year are going to be down years for Michigan, but we should return to our 10+ win seasons. To me, a “program on the decline” is one that will never recover…it has a certain ring of permanence. What you meant to say is that Michigan had a couple of bad seasons. Nobody would have said that UNC was a program “on the decline” in 2003, after a 17-15 season and consecutive seasons of not making it to the Big Dance. Programs naturally have their ups and downs.</p>
<p>My brother attended UNC and was both a Phi Beta Kappa student and a NCAA Div. 1 All American (several times) in his sport. </p>
<p>He attended on scholarship, but was from the north. </p>
<p>He had difficulty finding academic peers in his classes. Although less so than in the past, the gap between in and out of state students was high then. The problem is that once you take recruited athletes away the number of out of staters is just not that high. It is much better than what it was - when he attended most of the in-staters (save for the Morehead scholar types) just weren’t that impressive. </p>
<p>The average student at UMich and UNC now are likely close or indistinguishable. </p>
<p>But there are far more high octane types to be found at Michigan. </p>
<p>Having one of the nation’s best engineering programs doesn’t hurt. </p>
<p>If finances were equal, I don’t think it a close call for the very talented student - Michigan prevails.</p>
<p>This actually helps alot. I am still unsure, but I have learned much more than before. Thanks Alexandre and the rest of CC. If you guys have more suggestions…feel free to continue!!!</p>
<p>@Alexandre - Purdue just got its first win at Michigan since 1966. Purdue isn’t even ranked and it’s having a losing season. I know teams have their ups and downs but come on now. Since '66?</p>
<p>hey harambee your team is tied right now vs DUKE AT HOME why dont you take a seat buddy and stop praising unc</p>
<p>I never said anything about liking UNC football, if anything, the only thing I said about their sports team is that they have a good basketball team. If the UNC basketball team lost to an unranked team that they had beaten for over 40 years, then that would be a shocker.</p>
<p>^^^^^C’mon already Harambee. Purdue hasn’t beaten Michigan IN Ann Arbor in over 40 years. They have beaten them in West Lafayette a few times over those same years. I’m sure UNC has lost to plenty of unranked teams over the past 40 years when they were ranked. Michigan isn’t even ranked right now, so your point is lost anyway.</p>
<p>^^^ I understand what your saying, and all teams have some up and down moments. Boston College losing to Harvard last year in College Basketball was embarrassing, but it’s hard to say that Michigan isn’t on the decline after that game. UNC had some crazy upsets last year, and they escaped twice by one point over unranked teams, but they still dominated and won the Championship. It’s a different story with Michigan football these past few seasons. If this continues then that will affirm that they are on their decline, but if they get some good recruits and kick some butt next year then it will be a different story. It’s just that I have never seen Michigan lose in football on a consistent basis in all my years of watching football. That’s what surprises me the most.</p>
<p>None of us are used to it. But it is happening right now. Still you cannot compare college bb to college football. They are two totally different animals. As I have stated many times, every game in college football is crucial. The pressure to constantly win is much greater than college bb and the losses are much more devastating during the season than they are in college bb. For example, you could lose the majority of your games in college bb and still win your tournament and go to the NCAA tournament. That coud never happen in college football.</p>
<p>^Apart from George Mason’s cinderella story a couple of years ago, it’s unlikely that something like that could happen in College BB. It just doesn’t happen on a regular basis.You have to win a lot of your games in College BB to have an easier time during the postseason. The more games you win in the regular season, the more likely you are to be a No.1 seed in the tournament, which is HUGE. If a team is losing during the regular season then it’s very unlikely that they will do any better in the post season. Plus, many people think that the current college football system is flawed so things might change soon.</p>
<p>Also, some colleges have expectations. U of M might not be expected to be No.1, but they should at least be ranked considering that they have been one of the top football programs in the country for decades. They really shouldn’t be at the bottom of their conference. Similarly, UNC has expectations in college basketball. This year, they lost almost all of their senior class with Hansbrough, Lawson, and a couple more of their players going to the NBA in the draft. But despite that, the major preseason polls have them in the top 10.</p>