UofChicago better than Penn, Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell?

<p>I'm still trying to get over my wait list to Brown. It was basically my dream school for years. And I think I was very wrongly wait listed. As I know several students who were accepted and thought that I would have gotten in over them any day. But I can't do much now, except focus on the future.</p>

<p>My parents keep trying to cheer me up by saying that University of Chicago is an amazing academic experience and it still has the intellectual/quirkiness that Brown possesses. Are my parents right? I mean I researched the school, and I definitley like it. It's just that in my mind everything pales in comparison to Brown. </p>

<p>My friends are also saying that a UofC education is basically on par with HYP and better than the mid-lower Ivies. Would you agree with this?</p>

<p>I completely agree with your parents. The only schools I would consider over Chicago would be Stanford, Harvard, Yale and Columbia. BUT I would visit all of them and make my decision. They are equals in my book. The students are GREAT. The school is very self selecting and the faculty is stellar. I would go to Chicago over Brown.</p>

<p>Yes. U of Chicago is a fantastic school. It’s one of the most selective in the country and is on par, if not better than, some of the Ivies in terms of the caliber in their liberal arts education. Focus on what you want to get out of the experience; college is what YOU make of it, and if you are focusing too much on Brown’s prestige rather than what it can offer you and what you can offer it, then your intentions for college are invalid and somewhat wrong. When looking at schools when you had just gotten denied from your top, keep an open mind. Visit the campus, talk with students there, and get a feel for the school.</p>

<p>U of Chicago is a great school academically. It’s a reach for many students in the United States and it has some very renowned faculty members and alumni. Plus it’s in Chicago, which is a great city filled with numerous opportunities, especially if you plan on becoming involved in writing. University of Chicago Press, hello?</p>

<p>I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s better than HYP or even Penn, but possibly on par with Columbia, and better than Dartmouth/Cornell/Brown. It ranks up there with Stanford, Duke, and to an extent, Northwestern, as an extremely solid/elite school.</p>

<p>Plus, I live in Rhode Island and go by Providence at least three times a week. It’s not a particularly BAD city, but bigger cities (see: Chicago) would have SO much more to do. There’s not much to do here except the beach.</p>

<p>agreed with the above, except northwestern sucks.</p>

<p>Yeah, I’d go to UChicago over Brown</p>

<p>alright, thanks for the responses.</p>

<p>well, in my mind, i always found chicago to be better than duke, penn, and northwestern, but that’s mainly because i value intellectual exploration much more than pre-professionalism. i didn’t even apply to those schools. it’s just not what i personally was looking for in terms of an education. hence, my likeness for brown. </p>

<p>i got accepted to columbia. but i’m definitely going to choose chicago over it. they both have the core, but chicago’s core is so much more open and exploratory. and (as a frequent user of students review) chicago has a much higher “would return/go back” rating than columbia. i just get the vibe that the kids at columbia are so stressed and complaining. i mean dont get me wrong, chicago is not easy either, but it just seems the kids there are more passionate about what they learn and in turn it makes them happier. </p>

<p>i did some more research, in international rankings chicago is ranked even higher than princeton. it’s in the top ten universities in the world. </p>

<p>i guess, maybe i will get a better education at chicago, but i’ll always love brown. o well. hopefully, i’ll fall in love with chicago and never look back.</p>

<p>you don’t really get that “ivy” label.</p>

<p>i hate how some people still think uofc is a state school. they’re like “oh, you go to the university of chicago–where is that in illinois?”</p>

<p>wha? you got into columbia? go there. then chicago.</p>

<p>yea i got into columbia. </p>

<p>but i like chicago more. i think it has a stronger quality of education and is less pre-professional than columbia.</p>

<p>they’re both tied for number 8 on us news and world report. it’s not like columbia is automatically better than chicago, besides the ivy label. </p>

<p>From Students Review:
(Columbia-- 67 percent of students would choose to return) Columbia has the lowest return rate on this website out of all the ivy league. Brown and Yale have the highest.</p>

<p>(Chicago-- 89 percent of students would choose to return)</p>

<p>Chicago and Columbia are dead even, don’t let anyone tell you any different. Its completely about environment and where you fit. You should visit both though, just so you can judge for yourself. </p>

<p>For me its HYPPSCC (harvard, yale, princeton, penn, stanford, chicago columbia) at they end of the day they are all great places.</p>

<p>ilovepeople - Sorry to hear about Brown’s decision, and admission is certainly a quirky process. I graduated from Chicago years ago, and I absolutely LOVED it. Here are my thoughts… </p>

<p>Regarding Chicago being “better” than Brown, obviously it depends what you want, but if I had to do it all again, I’d still pick Chicago over Brown in a heartbeat. Sure, in a superficial way, it would be nice if schools with a “Univ of” at the front of their names received more recognition. So Univ of Chicago, Univ of Pennsylvania and the like might not get as much initial recognition as a Brown or Stanford. As I’ve said before many times though, this is a SILLY factor to really worry about at all.</p>

<p>Chicago offers incredible academics, and frankly, has departments that are a lot more high-powered than most of what’s available at Brown. English, history, Poli Sci, economics, physics, mathematics etc etc - ALL of these depts are considerably stronger at Chicago than at Brown. Also, this could be my own personal motivations, but I’d get more frustrated by people thinking I went to a “joke” school rather than not knowing my school at all. In that regard, I always thought Brown had a perhaps undeserved reputation as being this hippy, joke kind of school. When I was younger, I’d always hear people joke about Brown: “You went to Brown? What’d you major in - underwater basketweaving?” or “Brown? Do they even have grades there?” That sort of stuff wouldn’t sit well with me. On the other side of things, you obviously never have to worry about that with Chicago - it’s a world-class, rigorous institution. </p>

<p>With regard to selecting between Chicago and Columbia, of course I am biased here, but I’d highly recommend picking Chicago over Columbia UNLESS you’re a very specific sort of person. What sort of a person? An individual who is pretty fiercely independent, doesn’t really care much about having a tight-knit college community, and, frankly, a person who can be distant and aloof at times. I’ve found students like this in spades at Columbia - it’s generally a kind of cold, aloof, and not entirely welcome college community. Kids kind of do their own thing, and there’s not much sense of connection. </p>

<p>Chicago, on the other hand, has a very very different feel. Think of big house dinners that take two hours every night at the dining hall, big group outings to see movies, large joint study breaks in the library, etc. Chicago has a much more intimate, close-knit feel. </p>

<p>Of course, some people can’t help but go to new york city, and nyc certainly has a leg up on Chicago in terms of coolness factor. At the same time, I couldn’t imagine going to Columbia over Chicago - some of my fondest memories are spending 2.5 hours on a wednesday at my house table as a first or second year in the college, just talking to all my housemates. I LOVED that sort of atmosphere. I just don’t get the sense this happens at much at Columbia. Academically, the schools are about equal, but it really depends what sort of atmosphere you want - the schools vary considerably on this front.</p>

<p>Finally, As I’ve said countless times before, when considering equivalent schools, do NOT USE THE IVY LABEL as a tiebreaker. With equivalent schools (Like Chicago and Columbia) there are SO MANY other reasons that distinguish the schools, and the ivy label will NOT provide ANY utility when picking between similarly situated schools.</p>

<p>alright thanks cue77 =]</p>

<p>i’m pretty much bent on chicago over columbia. </p>

<p>i guess i just need more convincing that i won’t be missing out on that much at brown, if i choose chicago.</p>

<p>i would hope if i attend chicago, i don’t even grace the urge of “wanting to transfer” to Brown.</p>

<p>Go where you want to. From reading this thread, you already seem to be pretty intent on Chicago.</p>

<p>However, keep in mind that there definitely is less prestige associated with it than even lower-tier Ivies. Also, U of Chicago is much less selective. It’s admit rate of 28% is 7% higher than even Cornell.</p>

<p>But I do agree that U of Chicago is underrated by many, especially outside of the midwest. The academics are definitely ivy-caliber, but there aren’t as many “other” opportunities that you might get from an Ivy brand name. (Ex. internships, etc.)</p>

<p>There’s no need to put down other schools. Just because Brown didn’t admit you and Chicago did, doesn’t make Chicago a “better” school just for admitting you.</p>

<p>I don’t get why the high school mentality is that if something rejects you, it is immediately inferior to whatever “didn’t” reject you.</p>

<p>I would easily go to Brown over UChicago, simply because the undergrad focus is stronger, it is quirkier, and the environment is much more laid back.</p>

<p>but i read somewhere, that chicago is self-selective, meaning kids who apply to hyp, don’t always apply to chicago. i’m not totally sure what this means, but i did come across it when i read about their application. their essays were DEFINITELY weird, but then again i had no problem answering them.</p>

<p>@hope2getrice</p>

<p>I’m not putting them down! Just read through the posts. </p>

<p>I said, many times, how much I love Brown. Gosh.
And on top of that, I was accepted to Columbia. I’m turning down Columbia’s offer of admission, because I like Chicago’s quirky intellectualism more than Columbia’s student body. It’s just a personal preference.</p>

<p>^ Ilovepeople:</p>

<p>Every college would like to have you believe that their school is self-selective in order to explain larger acceptance rates. As a whole, yes, certain types of people apply more frequently to UChicago, but that would also mean that Chicago would enjoy a higher yield…which it doesn’t. </p>

<p>I know people who applied to Caltech, Berkeley, Northwestern, etc, who also applied to UChicago. Maybe if self-selective meant top quality students, then yes. But this is true at just about every top 20-top 30 institution with the except of HYPMS who many people use as simply crapshoots and apply for the heck of it.</p>

<p>Well from the kids I know at Chicago, I truly do believe the school is self-selective. I would go anyday to Chicago over Northwestern. In a heartbeat. Mainly because–the type of students who attend the school. </p>

<p>I know a girl who was accepted to Princeton this year, but rejected from Chicago. They do get less applicants, because 1) they spend less money on advertising and 2) they have less prestige. But I think the caliber of the students who apply to Chicago is just as high as the ivys. </p>

<p>Although, I’m still a little uncertain about the school. I have done my research.
Chicago ranks higher than the ivys (besides HYP) in almost all fields except the natural sciences. And Chicago is ranked number #9 in the world for top universities. </p>

<p>The only school I’m even considering in competition is Amherst. I love Brown, but was not accepted.</p>