<p>Apparently someone got rejected from penn.</p>
<p>coughgugupocough.</p>
<p>Let’s refrain ourselves from feeding the ■■■■■.</p>
<p>He probably is going to a cc anyways.</p>
<p>Penn’s econ department is larger and consistently higher-ranked.</p>
<p>But gugupo’s opinion is all that really matters, so you should probably call it a day and matriculate at NYU, the most prestigious college in the world.</p>
<p>(anyone want to guess where gugupo goes to school?)</p>
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<p>What? Just within econ, Penn is already far more prestigious - it is consistently ranked in the top 10 departments.</p>
<p>And as for undergrad; Penn in general is far more selective (if we include, in the comparison, Cornell’s state and hotel schools). As for Arts & Sciences vs. CAS - less of a difference. The fact that the vast majority would choose Penn over Cornell speaks for itself, though.</p>
<p>I hate to see people talking about the prestige of real selective universities. I mean who gives a sh@! whether cornell or penn is more prestigious? both are extremely good institutions with top-notch programs.</p>
<p>As for econ departments, uchicago is high in the rankings, but from an ideological standpoint uchicago is somewhat different from MIT. Paul Krugman used to differentiate between “salt-water” and “freshwater” schools (freshwater = uchicago, u of minnesota, rochester and sal-water = mit harvard princeton etc.)</p>
<p>“What? Just within econ, Penn is already far more prestigious - it is consistently ranked in the top 10 departments.”</p>
<p>Sure, that’s if USNEWS rankings are well known internationally. But the OP asked about international reputation/prestige and in that case, Cornell name is more prestigious than Penn.</p>
<p>Speaking as an International… I can tell you right now UPenn is better known than Cornell internationally. Penn is domestically less known because of many people’s ignorant assumption that Penn = a state school (University of [a state]). Internationally, UPenn is better known.</p>
<p>I currently live in Switzerland and I can tell you that, based on my experience, Cornell and UPenn CAS are about equal in recognized prestige. However, the moment Wharton is mentioned, everything changes.</p>
<p>All in all, from where I’m standing, it looks like this: Cornell = Penn CAS < < < Wharton</p>
<p>DoleWhip- Cornell has at least historically also had a very strong Physics department and also Chemistry department. Penn although strong in these subjects is not really on the same level.</p>
<p>twocollege - in my first post in this thread, I said that I think all the Ivy’s are great for different reasons, and that Cornell has a big name in engineering. I’m not trying to say Cornell is bad, but this thread happens to be about economics, where I’d say Penn beats Cornell.</p>
<p>(The opportunity to take classes at Wharton and take part in some of the same recruiting events is a huge part of this, IMO).</p>
<p>I do know that you were focused on economics but in your post you have</p>
<p>“But Cornell is definitely considered to be the “worst:” least selective, newest, and primarily an ivy for athletic reasons (the other ivy’s all share a colonial background and are definitely bigger names, except maybe when it comes to cornell engineering).”</p>
<p>I was just pointing out that perhaps it is not just engineering. I would not say that Cornell is considered the “worst”. As for being considered ivy for athletic reasons, I would consider all of the ivy league to be ivy for athletic reasons. For me the university that really seems out of place in the ivy league is Dartmouth. Out of place in the sense that its prestige comes primarily from undergraduate education in which it excels. All the others also have very strong graduate programs although some are clearly better than others.</p>
<p>You have a point. Honestly, in my head I don’t really distinguish between physics and engineering (since one’s mostly theory and the other is application), but you’re right.</p>
<p>And the reason why I see Cornell as different from the other Ivy League schools is because of its history. Unlike the other Ivy’s, which were founded before the American Revolution, Cornell is one of the schools founded around/after the Civil War, coinciding with the Industrial Revolution (along with MIT, Hopkins, Stanford, Carnegie Mellon, etc). These schools (along with a bunch of others) were created to be more technical than the Ivy’s were. Obviously all these schools are great (and many are better than the Ivy’s in certain areas), but to me (and practically everyone I know) Cornell seems to be the different one among the Ivy’s.</p>
<p>And, on average, it is the least selective.</p>
<p>To be honest, many people in the U.S do not know that Penn is an Ivy, and many more believe that Penn and Penn State are the same schools. Internationally, its even worse. Cornell is known as an ivy league no matter where you go, and might be more known internationally than Dartmouth, and Brown also. With that being said, is Cornell better than Penn or Penn better than Cornell? No No. Its all subjective.</p>
<p>On the matter of selectivity is a 14.6 percent selectivity and a 18 percent selectivity that drastic? No. Please remember that Penn takes 50% of its applicant ED, while Cornell takes 33% ED. if Cornell wanted to lower their selectivity and yield, they can easily accept 50% ED like Penn does.</p>
<p>This does not make Penn a bad school or Cornell a better one. Its just the way these schools do business. its down-right idiotic to argue who is better or worst based on selectivity or yield, because any school can manipulate those numbers on any given year. Cornell is a great school, Penn is a great school. Statistics have shown that Cornell may have a better Science program and penn a better Business Program, but that does not mean that the other program at the other school isn’t good. Both Cornell and Penn are great schools and it would be an honor to attend either one.</p>
<p>Cornell is NOT at the same level than Penn</p>
<p>@greenexcess, are Penn students smarter than Cornell students? No. I will even go further to add that the caliber of students in the top 20 schools are relatively the same and the diffrentiation is very minor.</p>
<p>To argue the fact that Penn is better than Cornell or Cornell better than Penn is like arguing that the Steelers are better than the Packers. They are both top caliber programs. On any given Sunday one can beat the other. There are cornell students that can put Penn students to shame and Penn students that can put Cornell students to shame.</p>
<p>To argue prestige is a matter of self gratification and not facts. If Cornell wants to have a 10% admit rate, they can easily admit 50% to 60% ED, similar to Penn, but that is not their goal. The argument of prestige in top universities are laughable and idiotic when one take the time to really think things through.</p>
<p>I can say that Cornell is better, because Cornell had more applicants than penn and more applicants than any Ivy, but that would also be laughable. Break yourself from a confined mindset, open your eyes, and see the world as it is.</p>
<p>Are you going to cornell by any chance?</p>
<p>In a nutshell, saying that cornell is at the same level than penn is the same as saying that penn is at the same level of harvard. Neither are true.</p>
<p>Greenexcess, stop being so full of yourself. TaeKwonDo’s 1st post is spot on. Penn is not known internationally as much as you think. It is mostly associated with Penn State while Cornell is known for being an ivy league internationally. Does that make one better than the other? No. However, people like you keep asserting that Penn is a superior institution and start these flame wars. Just stop.</p>
<p>“Cornell is NOT at the same level than Penn” </p>
<p>Yup. It’s not. Cornell is above the level of Penn. See. I can make unsubstantiated claims too!</p>
<p>BTW: it’s “as” not “than”</p>
<p>@greenexcess, since you asked, I was accepted at Penn, Cornell, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, Wustl, and 6 others, too lazy to keep typing, and waitlisted at Yale. my choice was totally on the program i wanted to study and not “prestige (the big lie)”.</p>
<p>I am sure if you do your homework you will see where I matriculated. However, the caliber of instructions and the caliber of students at all these schools are relatively very very similar. we have become blinded on prestige and name brands as a society. my father went to UW-madison and the guy is a downright genious. Not all geniouses went to an Ivy, lol.</p>
<p>My point is, if you want to know if Penn is better than Cornell, then flip a coin. same level of students, same level of instructions overall.</p>
<p>Top 20 is pushing it. Top 10, I could see where you’re coming from, but not all the way to top 20. Granted, some schools in top 20 are just as strong as top 10 schools, but some of the others? Fat chance.</p>
<p>UPenn does beat out Cornell by a bit on paper. Unfortunately Cornell does beat out UPenn in name recognition big time. Heck, one could argue similarly for all the Ivy League schools. Thus, overall, it really doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>But does it really matter as much that one attends HYP? No. I can think of criminals who came out of HYP and I can think of millionaires who didn’t even go to college. What matters the most is fit – I couldn’t stand the rigorous liberal arts curriculum at HYPS, so I chose Penn instead, for example.</p>
<p>TaeKwonDo – might want to keep your statements in check. Saying you’ve been accepted to WUSTL on one sub forum and saying you never applied there on the other could lead to others accusing you of some very stupid stuff.</p>