<p>^^ Amen to that!</p>
<p>For funsies</p>
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<p>Since you asked for advice, I am going to offer some more thoughts. I am concerned about the potential for rejection from so many reach schools and how it may affect him. Whatever the reasons were for his low prior GPA, his confidence about his ability to manage school may be shaky, and a bunch of rejections won’t help it. </p>
<p>Even though your are very proud of his intelligence and relatively high SAT score, you have to realize that as much as the lore is that colleges want URMs, there are many URMs applying to the reach schools with the same or better SATs, and much better grades and ECs. The very high reach schools claim their “holistic” app process isn’t just to provide the school with more diversity, but also to see what each student can bring to the school. How will they view your son in terms of what he can bring? Sure he is bright, but frankly, he shows a history of early failure that may scare away a lot of admission reps.</p>
<p>Sorry to be so blunt, but your son may be welcomed with open arms at a lot of match schools. But you may be setting him up for rejection with so many reach apps.</p>
<p>Am I reading this right? Is it 1275 for all three sections? Or 2100 like the thread title?</p>
<p>Student in question has 2100 SAT. 1275 SAT is the average for the school or district or something (can’t get a 1275 individually anyway).</p>
<p>Slymlady,
Your S is very lucky to have such a strong advocate in his corner.
Could the event(s) that caused him to have so many Fs in his HS frosh year come back and happen again at college?</p>
<p>Also, BunHeadMom’s advice is amazing!</p>
<p>Yes, I agree… the advice and the links to different threads have been amazing.</p>
<p>I don’t like to get all touchy feely so Im cutting my posts short for now! I can’t wait to let everyone know the outcome. Im proud of him no matter what happens!</p>
<p>OP said>“Im proud of him no matter what happens!” </p>
<p>That deserves a “Like” Button!!!</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>And she should be proud of him. He sounds like a good kid, had a rough start, is getting his grades together, and has an awesome SAT. </p>
<p>I don’t think the mom should shut the door on his desire to become a physician. Premed courses are just as hard as eng’g (actually eng’g courses are more difficult once you get into upper division). And since there is much overlap during the first two years, he could actually pursue both and see what pans out. My own son did that premed/ChemEngineering, because he wanted a back up in case he didn’t go to med school. I think he just had to take an extra bio class or two…otherwise, the courses were the same…Gen Chem, OChem, Physics, Calc, etc.</p>
<p>One thing it is important to remember…you will not be able to “move heaven and earth” to help him graduate from college. He will have to do that himself.</p>
<p>And one more thing. If your kiddo does fail or drop too many college courses, he will not meet Satisfactory Academic Progress (SAP) and his federally funded aid (including Direct Loans) will be suspended. He will likely lose any institutional merit aid he has also. And he could be put on academic probation or asked to leave the school.</p>
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<p>However, the overlap is less for engineering other than chemical or biomedical. Other engineering majors would likely have to add 2-3 semesters of chemistry and 2 semesters of biology into what is probably a crowded schedule.</p>
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<p>True, but at my kids’ undergrad (and likely others), they have premed tracks for: Civil Eng’g, ChemEng’g, Computer Science, and (very strangely) Metallurgical Eng’g. </p>
<p>I agree that for EE or MechE, it would be more difficult. Most of the premeds in the Col of Eng’g are either ChemE or CompSci.</p>
<p>“remed courses are just as hard as eng’g (actually eng’g courses are more difficult once you get into upper division).”
-Engineering is the hardest one, including the lowest ranked local 4 year colleges, any place. Some pre-med pre-reqs are harder than others, but not at the level of engineering. Med. School will hit you, that is where you are challenged beyond any imagination and nothing in UG pre-med comes anywher close to this level at all. Lke my D. said, they exist in a difference univesrse of academic challenge.<br>
CS is very time consuming. It is not hard at all, but you will spend your days debugging your programs, I guarantee you that! I am an IT, and any programmer with decades of experience will get stuck in the problem for sometime. But there is no exception, that all of students in CS will be going in rounds for many days over something that looks so simple on a service. Unfortunately, this includes even kids in Community Colleges, where my IT education began. In my times, we had to be in a lab, could not do it from home. Believe me, our lab was full of people at midnight and later.</p>
<p>Miami, again, all due respect- I know several young physicians and current med school who have said that med school is nowhere near as difficult as their undergrad had been. They are hardly being challenged beyond their imagination. </p>
<p>None of them were “pre-med”; they all took a demanding academic program in their discipline of choice; one of them told me recently that med school is about memorizing not thinking.</p>
<p>So don’t extrapolate from one kid (your own) who is finding Med school challenging beyond imagination. There are lots of people who assert that the hardest thing about med school is getting accepted.</p>
<p>In another thread, a parent is asking about schools with good CS programs that don’t “weed out” students too much.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1563113-nm-tech-sd-mines-co-mines-supportive-weeder.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1563113-nm-tech-sd-mines-co-mines-supportive-weeder.html</a>
This might be of interest, especially since some schools mentioned here and mentioned there.</p>
<p>I don’t know if it makes sense to compare pre med, med school, and engineering. They seem to hold different challenges. I will say this; my son (junior in mech engineering) seems to be needing much more self discipline and tolerance for frustration than I remember in my entire medical career.</p>
<p>I don’t think I have seen any mention of Oxford of Emory/Emory University mentioned in this thread.</p>
<p>Oxford of Emory is a 2-year LAC associated with Emory. When students finish there they move to the main Emory campus and graduate with a degree from Emory. Oxford is known for both the excellence of the education offered and for its very nurturing environment. </p>
<p>Emory has very strong pre-med and CS programs, so I was thinking this might be an interesting choice for the OP’s son.</p>
<p>*Miami, again, all due respect- I know several young physicians and current med school who have said that med school is nowhere near as difficult as their undergrad had been. They are hardly being challenged beyond their imagination. *</p>
<p>I don’t know who you’ve spoken to but I’ve heard that med school (today) is like drinking from a fire hose…with info coming at you that fast. </p>
<p>(google “med school fire hose” and you’ll get a ton of hits.)</p>
<p>None of them were "pre-med</p>
<p>What does that mean? Unless they graduated and went back to school, then they were premed…otherwise they wouldnt have had the prereqs to get accepted.</p>
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<p>Emory CS is rather small, so many upper division courses appear to be infrequently offered.
[Math/CS</a> - Undergraduate classes, Fall 2013, Computer Science](<a href=“http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/classes-semester.php?subject=CS&year=2013&term=1&graduate=0]Math/CS”>http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/classes-semester.php?subject=CS&year=2013&term=1&graduate=0)</p>
<p>OK Parents. Im taking your advice and looking from the bottom up. Got an interesting piece of mail today from CBU Tennessee (Christian Brothers University). </p>
<p>From what I can see it looks like it might actually be a great fit. Anyone know anything about it?</p>