<p>Different ethnicities? I don't want to hear your racist propaganda, davidrune. Just leave these boards forever.</p>
<p>lollll davidrune u r hillarious</p>
<p>but, i still support AA, until a better alternative is found</p>
<p><coughs> They need more indians</coughs></p>
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<p>I've been reading this thread... pretty interesting... and heated... Anyways, I, for one, might be affected positively by AA... but the problem I feel I will find that once I get to the college campus, people will assume I was accepted into the school purely on my race once they hear that I am hispanic (I am fullblooded...parents both immigrants, but I appear "white") . I know that my SATS are slightly below average, but I do have many other factors that will hopefully boost my chances. Because my parents are both adult immigrants, I always had a language issue growing up. There are also the other factors of major surgery during high school and homelessness that I know have given me a different view on life. When colleges are looking for diversity I have a good feeling that they will take those adversities issues into account (my grades really did not slip), but i just feel that most people, upon hearing my race and avg sats scores will think, "oh, she just got in because of her race.".... and it is bothersome. I worked very hard to get where I am now, but even then, it seems like it's not enough sometimes because I hear of all of the amazing accomplishments of some of you guys here on the message boards. Yes, many of you have done oustanding projects, community service, leadership and college courses.... really incredible stuff, but now coming back to the point... I know that when some of you receive rejection letters you want to put blame somewhere... but please, don't blame it on AA or anything like that. We've all worked hard and your life is not going to be over.</p>
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<p>Davidrune-are you saying that you support denying 50 blacks admission to a class of 10,000 becuase the diversity they would bring can be replicated by increasing the number of whites admitted from 7,000 to 7,050? Of course whites can bring diversity. But, why discount the diversity that blacks can bring? </p>
<p>I support sirwonk's statement that the number of blacks admitted is minimal anayway. Once you remove the number of blacks who mett he requirements without the AA boost, the number of admitted blacks who received the boost is probably less than the number of posts on this thread. I also agree with JF215 and Ethio.</p>
<p>Beleive me, Penn is not admitting unqualified blacks. They are not even admitting "slightly qualified" blacks. You would be surprised to see what blacks Penn is rejecting (I know these kids, and their stats - and your jaws would surely drop to know that they were rejected/deferred in the ED round). Not only do I know wealthy blacks with perfectly wonderful scores who were rejected from Penn, I also know those deferred from Harvard, Princeton and Yale....and I'm talking 1500 plus scorers. Any doubts I had about AA were lifted by the 2004 ED rounds.....</p>
<p>Those of you who are boo-hooing over this need to stop drinking the kool-aid and believing everyone who claims that they were rejected because rich blacks with low scores are working the system...it just isn't true.</p>
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<p>TheStoned: I dont know what you want me to read on that page.</p>
<p>Whether you like it or not, you're going to have to deal with many people of many different cultures and ethnicities in life. If you only attend schools with a disproportionate number of different groups, how are you going to know how to deal with things in America today? A lot of the people going into business schools may never have even met a black person or an indian person or an asian person or even a white person. They will be dealing with every one of these people if they plan on running a business. Being exposed to different cultures is a very important part of a learning experience.</p>
<p>To Davidrune: That is a form of diversity, but your little anecdote is like trying to diversify a fruit bowl and only placing in a variety of apples. Those apples need to meet other fruit. Fruit that may not have had the advantages that apples had and can share their life experiences with the different types of apples. Alright this analogy is starting to get weird.</p>
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<p>lol love the fruit bowl analogy</p>
<p>and momsdream - its nice to have u back!</p>
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<p>ugh...davidrune...you're black aren't you?</p>
<p>Thank you momsdream. THE BLACK STUDENTS BENEFITING FROM AA ARE NOT UNQUALIFIED!</p>
<p>momsdream, I am not boo-hooing the fact that there are rich, qualified black students who get in b/c of AA, I am upset that underqualified minority students take the place of students who should be accpeted but, to their misfortune, they aren't black. Don't tell me that because a person doesn't have black skin, they dont make the campus 'diverse.' If you want a diversity purely along color lines, AA is great, however, if you want to have a fair admissions process that admits only the most qualified, creative, and motivated students, AA fails horribly. And I have no doubt that the latter group, regardless of skin color, would be as diverse and enlightening as a group where AA was used.</p>
<p>laertes - </p>
<p>192 blacks scored above a 1450 on their SATs last year - and only 2000 scored above 1300</p>
<p>and you're saying that there would be a just as racially diverse population without AA at ivies?</p>
<p>Laertes- Who, exactly, decided that the minority students being admitted were "underqualified"? What are the qualifications (since you seem to know)? You think you know who "should be accepted"? Based on what? The ONLY people who "should be accepted" are the people who the adcoms admit. Other than that, there's no <em>rule</em>. I have yet to see Penn list a set of qualifications that must be met in order to be admitted. You seem to think that there's a defined "floor" and that the admitted black students are below the floor. That's just not how it works. Admission is subjective. Therefore, none of us are qualified to make statemets about who should or shouldn't be admitted to Penn or any other school. Penn is OBVIOUSLY looking for diversity beyond race, which explains why they reject wealthy blacks with good SAT scores while admitting poorer whites with lower SAT scores. </p>
<p>What makes you think that SAT scores are the only qualifier? Do you think that a slightly lower SAT score means that the same student is "underqualified" (your word) in every other way? Why, then, does Penn even bother to read ANY applications? Why not just have College Board submit your scores and Penn will admit the top % of scorers...period? You mentioned creativity? What makes you think that the black students being admitted aren't creative? Has the SAT started to measure creativity and nobody told me?</p>
<p>Good point Ethio....and it seems odd to me that anyone would think that a black student who is only one of the 1,877 who scored above 1300 is not competitively motivated. On the whole, blacks score amazingly poor on the SAT (isn't the average score around 800?). And, as you stated, there are only a very few who score above 1300.....and Laertes doesn't think those few are motivated.</p>