<p>My daughter chose USC over Berkeley, we’re out of state, she is a senior in Marshall and already has a job offer from the company she interned for this summer. Need I say more?</p>
<p>With people labeling SC as football school, including own SC students,
which is valid in some sense based on SC’s past heavy jock/football school history, but if there’s a purest of football school for labeling in US like Xerox as to photocopy,
got to be Notre Dame, so much of that they even made a Hollywood
movie just on ND football program long back,
and ND’s been in Top 20 US News forever, and then with Hoops school Duke always
in Top 10, not any reason why SC can’t be recognized in same level.</p>
<p>USC still has a longggg way to go to rebrand its name in Asia.
Asia including China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan and Korea mostly
don’t know SC or for the few who know then only know SC as
troubled rich kids school perhaps w/ strong football team.
Understandable from history as many tycoon rich kids
from Taiwan and Hong Kong went there for undergrads,
possibly ranging from smart to dumb. Of course
you can argue that knowing the name for the negative and rich kids is still
better than not knowing at all. Especially in Asia, being rich kids with multi-million
family business/assets to inherit is all that matters of true value, but not academic,
no one cares Nobel Prize there (worth at most US$400K prize money after tax?)</p>
<p>In general Asia only know Ivys and Stanford, perhaps also UCLA, and that’s it.
Not even Berkeley, surely not the general public, except some insider professionals.
When you mention UC there, they’ll only know UCLA, mainly because of the “LA”
powerful hip marketing effect of the naming.</p>
<p>Actually, the average Chinese university student only knows of the top Ivies and Stanford. I go to Guangzhou and Hong Kong every summer because my family is there and all my friends have only heard of Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and Stanford. That is it.</p>
<p>I’m sure some students know UCLA or USC or other top US universities, but the average and typical university student or even the average person in China does not know any American university other than the 4 I just mentioned. It’s synonymous to how the majority of Americans mainly know of Oxford and Cambridge in the UK as an example.</p>
<p>Nobody in America gives a flying hoot whether some Chinese or Japanese or Taiwanese or Thai thinks of us, or whether they care. Most Chinese are more concerned about whether they can get the latest bicycle accessories. And I don’t care whether Peking U is higher ranked than Shanghai Tech or Mao Zedong Institute of Theology. It always cracks me up about how much some students at the U of Cs wax on about the “world” rankings, when most of them couldn’t distinguish between Mexico City University, Bankok Institute of Ethics or Singapore School of Maylays… As a proud American, I don’t lose sleep over what some rickshaw-pulling Chinese communist thinks of USC, UCLA or Stanford.</p>
<p>BostonTW, it is USC supporters who are always bragging about reaching out to the international students and how USC is such a distinguished name in Asia. UCLA is less concerned about this as their quota for international students is extremely limited due to it being a state school and having to accept primarily native California students. But thanks for making yourself look foolish especially with that witty communist remark. I doubt you are a student at either USC or UCLA or any top ranked university for that matter. There’s no way they can admit someone that racist and ignorant.</p>
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I agree with this and I hope you are correct that this isn’t a USC or UCLA student.</p>
<p>Witty remarks BostonTW.</p>
<p>You alone don’t need to care and
can have a good sleep every night in your own dream
as a proud American. And nobody will TF care
that you don’t care.</p>
<p>But US and European top colleges DO care and care big-time,
because China’s new-uprising wealthier-class high-quality students
are now becoming the major target $market of recruiting for them
as international student sources. And that also applies to
other Asian markets. Do note that SC’s been acclaimed the top US college
for international students recent years, and LA region (including
UCLA & USC)'s been a top choice for China students recent years.</p>
<p>International student sources and diversity –> more out-of-state
tuition $revenue and global alumni support $donation for the schools –>
worldwide marketing of school brand –>
suffer less state financial crisis budget cuts like UC
–> that’s main reason why USC’s rising vs UCLA</p>
<p>That’s exactly why Europe’s so furious last week on
Jiao Tong’s new Global Ranking’s as they accused it’s
so biased on US colleges over European colleges.
Because that could directly affect China students’ perception
and enrollment to their schools vs US.<br>
You might not care to read JiaoTong ranking, but they do.<br>
If that ranking’s meaningless, why they need to be furious?</p>
<p>Yeah who cares world ranking…<br>
21st Century == world globalization,
even kindergarten kids know that.
If you still don’t care learn to distinguish between
Peking U(or Peking duck?) and Shanghai Jiao Tong U(What freaking
Tong again?) to be considered minimum knowledgeable in both global social
and business world, that’s up to you, nobody else will lose.</p>
<p>You can hate Chinese Communists and mock yellow Asians all you like,
but you can’t overlook the 21st Century trend Asia’s exploding economic
impact and market potential.</p>
<p>China already surpassed US as the No.1 automobile market last year.
Bicycle accessories? Pulling Rickshaw? Mao Zedong? LMAO
No hurry but when you get some free time, you could take a look at
2010’s newspapers, not 1960’s.</p>
<p>But good is I do see most SC American students have a strong global vision
and an open respectful attitude to be competitive in the
new globalization age representing SC’s name, and realize
there’re actually other world regions outside the country of USA.</p>
<p>On the positive, USC’s doing actively a good job recently,
just opening new alumni centers
in Shanghai, Beijing, Tokyo, Seoul to help connect and promote…
Good to see SC seems heading in the right direction of clairvoyance
to strengthen its meteoric rise.</p>
<p>Tis true, alot of people didn’t know about USC in Korea… and this one person didn’t even know cornell in korea…
Then againa lot of people didn’t know about USC even in Flordia. 
oh wells I like my school who cares.</p>
<p>You guys know nothing about me or where I came from. World rankings, such as the ben hao chong guo ranking, is a joke. I stand by my comments. The only reason we want international students is because they pay full freight tuition. Nonetheless, those countries are now beginning to send more of their students to their own universities, none of which I can name, except perhaps Tokyo U, Cambridge, Oxford, and the Sorbonne.</p>
<p>But I never considered once applying to any of those foreign places; and who in their right mind would want to go to Havana Tech or Chairman Mao U when you can be thrown in prison for exercising your right to free speech? I wouldn’t last a day in China without my Google account being eavesdropped and personal freedoms raked by the communists. And Europe, please. All of us can attend Oxford tomorrow so long as we pay full tuition; the place is literally crumbling and covets Americans and their cash.</p>
<p>I’m glad my schools are establishing alumni networks in other countries to build networks and help raise money. But seriously, no American kid would go home to mommy and daddy and declare, “my school is number 5 on the world rankings; I want to go!” And the billions of oppressed in China surely don’t do the same.</p>
<p>Boston needs to leave.</p>
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First of all, you need to discern between Hong Kong and China. In the mainland, people who make $10,000 per year are considered wealthy. In Hong Kong, the average citizen earns roughly the same amount of money as a person in the US. Despite a booming economy, mainlanders are not very sophisticated. Aside from the few barons we discuss, most could barely afford the plane ticket to the United States and would never imagine attending a US university.</p>
<p>Second of all, students in Hong Kong are usually well informed regarding US universities. Most from my experience do know about UCLA and Berkeley. Even my mother who is in her 50s knew about UCLA before she immigrated to the United States. UCLA is particularly well known (arguably more so than Berkeley) because many students from Hong Kong actually know people who come to the US end up attending the university.</p>
<p>They usually choose UCLA over USC (despite USC probably being the better value at roughly the same price) because the university has more Asians. The Asians at USC also tend to be less fobby. -.-</p>
<p>Just FYI - post from 2009:</p>
<p>Jerry Lucido, USC vice provost for enrollment policy and management, was quoted about the rise in Chinese students attending USC. USC hosts the highest number of international students of any university in the country, and has seen a 34 percent increase in its Chinese student population in the past two years, reaching 1,015 in 2008, the story noted. China is the fastest growing area for us, Lucido said. USC began focusing its recruitment efforts in China several years ago; the university sends college representatives to China every year, the story noted.</p>
<p>Not sure how many from China are enrolled at UCLA.</p>
<p>sentimentGX4 and BostonTW are equally ignorant of China. China has gone on urbanization for 2 decades, and boasts a middle class larger than almost the entire population of the U.S. Round-trip tickets to US are nothing compared to the cost of the overseas tour trips those people has annually. Considering the large income gap between the poor and rich and the low service cost in China, those riches in China actually have HUGE amount of cash to spare. If you know anything of east Asia, you should learn that the revival of Hong Kong economy and the hope of Taiwan’s sustained development have been depending on the agreements they signed with Mainland, i.e. the CEPA and ECFA.</p>
<p>All my relatives and friends told me after their trip to US that, everything sold in US stores is CHEAP. They bought a lot of shoes, watches, jewelry, and electronics to bring back to their homes, and say the savings from the purchases only would cover multiple round-trips between China and America.</p>
<p>Due to the vast population of China, your anecdotal story about how your family in Hong kong and canton, is not indicative of how the more educated Chinese think of US universities, especially when your stories are from many years ago. In highly educated circles of Chinese, people from Hongkong and Canton are hardly an intellectual force of China in its history, although they make some good money from trade and manufacture sectors. Most of students in China’s elite universities (top 50) are fully aware of the education system of the U.S., and can make sound decisions for themselves when they are going to invest huge amount of money in their future careers. They really don’t count on the hearsays from a few ABCs getting cheap in UCs any more. And that is a reason why USC recruits well in China.</p>
<p>^You have no idea what you’re talking about.</p>
<p>
China’s “middle class” is below the United States poverty line. -.-</p>
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So your response to anecdotal evidence is with more anecdotal evidence? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>China’s PPP is ~20% of a USD. That means $100 USD buys about $500 USD worth of stuff in China.
<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity</a></p>
<p>Some things in the US are cheaper than China but its mostly just “brand” name merchandise and pharmaceuticals.</p>
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took the words right out of my mouth</p>
<p>You sound pretty delusional QW553</p>
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<p>Ladies and Gentlemen, this here is a prime example of why the rest of the world hates on us “proud americans”; ignorance is bliss! /sarcasm</p>
<p>and for the record since we’re on the topic of ranks, I would rank you far, far below the “rickshaw pulling chinese communists”</p>
<p>I also see you have very nice googling skills, pulling names into your comments without providing substance.</p>
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<p>anyway… honestly i couldn’t care less if some people haven’t heard of us in korea or wherever. That doesn’t affect me in any way whatsoever, and it isn’t my fault they’re not knowledgeable about colleges outside their home country.</p>
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It is idiotic to cite irrelevant statistic data to make arguments. Although not comparable to the life of an American middle class family, the middle class in China enjoys far better lifestyle than a family here at poverty line, and certainly has much more buying power. Among my classmates, most of the people living in U.S. and Canada (14/34) has less earning potential than those staying in China except for 2, one working in the Street and the other in hedge fund. Of course, those classmates in China are doing pretty well, and the ones in US are mostly in beginning technical positions and as academicians. This is just to tell you that I know how the life compares between the middle classes in US and China, and the “lines” means pretty much nothing. I am also pretty sure you won’t argue any more that “Aside from the few barons we discuss, most could barely afford the plane ticket to the United States and would never imagine attending a US university.” It is really stupid to say something you have no idea of.</p>
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These are the facts that can tell you lower to middle class people in China, which most of my relatives and friends are representative of, definitely can buy much more than the tickets to America. Many are planing to send their kids to US for high school and college education in the near future. Right now, a lot of people have their children studying in Australia, Canada, and Europe due to cost and visa reasons. A household of $10,000 is working class in most of the cities. Although a different story in rural area, it is still far from being wealthy. Your knowledge of China is on the same level as those learning America from Hollywood movies.</p>
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It is NOT an irrelevant fact, especially coupled with the PPP statistic I provided. Your “lifestyle is cheaper” argument holds no water because PPP accounts for the “buying power”. In 2007, the PPP per captia of China was only $5420.
<a href=“http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/eap_wdi.pdf[/url]”>http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/eap_wdi.pdf</a></p>
<p>A single American living on the poverty line earns $10830. </p>
<p>Also, weren’t you telling me how everything in the US is cheap compared to China moments earlier?
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<p>Please make consistent claims and arguments. Don’t tell others to not use “anecdotal” evidence and then base your entire argument on “anecdotal evidence”. Don’t contradict your on claims. Learn to read economic indicators. That is all I have to say to you.</p>