<p>^ At Cal, transfers make up 18% to 22%, more or less within that range, not 40%.</p>
<p>That is correct RML. I meant annual transfer classes as precentage of the freshman class.</p>
<p>Cal: 4,100 freshman and 2,250 transfers (55%)
UCLA: 4,600 freshmen and 3,200 transfers (70%)
USC: 3,000 freshmen and 1,500 transfers (50%)</p>
<p>On the other hand, other elite universities have much small transfer classes relative to freshmen classes:
Cornell: 3,200 freshmen and 530 transfers (17%)
Michigan: 6,000 freshmen and 1,000 transfers (17%)
Vanderbilt: 1,600 freshmen and 200 transfers (13%)</p>
<p>Even if you look the transfer student population out of the entire undergraduate student population, you are looking at 18%-25% at the major California universities compared to a much less significant 2%-8% at most of the major universities outside of california.</p>
<p>I think it’s also due to the fact that there are a lot of community colleges in California than there are in other parts of the US. </p>
<p>Transfers are okay. But top schools should keep it at a minimum number. The 2k transfers at Cal, for example, are just too big. It should be brought down to a maximum of 1k, and even 1k is still large. (300 would be idea.) 2k is already the size of a top-ranked LAC, and Cal’s resources aren’t that large to provide these transfers with a “Class A” academic treatment.</p>
<p>Because obviously you know better than the academic leadership of these schools. Right.</p>
<p>Anyways, EEatPurdue, what sort of things are you looking for in a school? I am a USC student, I’d be able to answer any specific questions you have at USC.</p>
<p>@Hawkwings:</p>
<p>I still do not know what I will do actually. I love math and physics right now and I have taken many upper-division EE courses.</p>
<p>I want to be an engineer or go for some private equity, hedge fund or maybe Wall street (I know it is crazy)? I love money but I will still follow my interest.</p>
<p>What I need is a school where I could found what I love and what career to take.</p>
<p>The conern is that Michigan is strong in academics but I found it is not that selective compared to Vandy and USC (according to SAT range). USC sounds like a fit. I wonder if I could learn all I want at USC. The course offerings in econ and math are not so amazing as Viterbi. And I am afraid that doubling a major is not that easy at USC since there is not a “dual degree” part in Viterbi school catalog!?</p>
<p>Actually I also applied for duke and stanford. But I am sure a rejection letter is on the way. </p>
<p>Another question is:
What is the difference between a first tier school (like S and D) and second tier school (Umich USC Vandy)? Will the difference make sense in job placement and promotion?</p>
<p>@Hawkwings:</p>
<p>Are you a Viterbi student?
BTW, Can undergrad choose graduate level courses in Viterbi?</p>
<p>@Alexandre:</p>
<p>According to college board, USC admit 2558 students from 9603 applicants. The transfer rate is 26.64%.</p>
<p>[College</a> Search - University of Southern California - USC - Admission](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
<p>I know the statistics in california colleges is misleading since there are a lot of Community College applicants. </p>
<p>Why dont USC post common data set? I am just curious.</p>
<p>I found USC seems to be good but why magazines never put USC as a new-Ivy or that like?</p>
<p>Yes, I am an engineering student.</p>
<p>Normally you can’t take graduate classes as an undergrad at USC. However, if you apply and are accepted into grad school at USC, then you can take graduate classes before you finish your undergraduate degree.</p>
<p>The people you meet, the connections you make, and the things you learn are going to be far more important than that school you went to for finding a job. Especially when you compare schools at this level, where the differences in education quality are minimal.</p>
<p>USC publishes a freshman profile every year. See here: <a href=“http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/private/1011/FreshmanProfile2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/private/1011/FreshmanProfile2010.pdf</a></p>
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<p>This thread just keeps getting funnier by the minute.</p>
<p>@Hawkwings:</p>
<p>How to differentiate graduate courses from undergraduate courses?</p>
<p>Do you mean I have to enroll in 3+2 program before taking graduate courses?</p>
<p>@Hawkwings:</p>
<p>Typo: “3+2 program”</p>
<p>Actually I mean BS+MS 4+1 program.</p>
<p>@chocolatenutz:</p>
<p>Is there any evidence? Or you just feel like this?</p>
<p>bump!bump!</p>
<p>Graduate-only courses are given numbers 500 and above. No, you don’t need to be in any of those special programs, you just need to apply to and be accepted to grad school at USC.</p>
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That is rather odd … assuming you are right about graduate course policy at USC.</p>
<p>There is no such restrictions at most of the universities I know. For example, there were usually half a dozen juniors/seniors in all of my computer engineering graduate courses. At Wisconsin, one of my classmates took all graduate chem engineering courses in his senior years.</p>
<p>What do you do if you have taken all the required engineering courses in your junior year?</p>
<p>that’s the feeling I got from alot of people. Evidence you can google for stats.</p>
<p>@GoBlue81:</p>
<p>I will probably take graduate level courses in my subfield if I have taken all the required engineering courses.</p>
<p>Would USC offer a good preparation for grad school?</p>
<p>@Hawkwings:</p>
<p>"you just need to apply to and be accepted to grad school at USC. "</p>
<p>Sounds like I am both an undergraduate and a PhD if accepted to grad school…</p>
<p>USC isn’t a Top Colleges because it’s not really considered a top school…It’s a rising star, but not yet ready to play with the big boys.</p>