<p>anyone have any insights on these three schools as far as their business programs go? which one has the best overall “education” and provides the most opportunities in terms of internships, jobs, etc?</p>
<p>UCLA is not really known for its business program. I believe that berkeley is a top rated business school (Top five i believe). USC is also very good (Top ten or fifteen). All three school provides great opportunities in terms of internships, jobs.</p>
<p>i have heeard that USC business is reallly good..they have a lot of connections there also...good luck!</p>
<p>USC business is more of a regional school, people w/ill know of it in so cali, but for the most part, it's not a known school. berk on the other hand is an internationally known university, and people know its business and engineering are def up there... berk business is ranked 3rd by us news, and most serious firms recruit mainly at the ivy/elite private schools+berk, and not much from other schools at all. </p>
<p>so i'd say for business, berk is quite a level or several above usc, while usc is still pretty good, and ucla... doesn't even have a undergrad biz program does it?</p>
<p>overall though, i'd say berk > la > usc, and berk and la even more so because they're half the cost.</p>
<p>I agree with Rohan with Berkeley being a level above USC in business, rank 3rd and 9th respectively. I don't think, though, USC is a regional school though because I believe it is also widely known internationally. Polar, what type of business are you pursuing? Accounting, marketing, finance,...?</p>
<p>I think Berkeley is regional in scope too. They accept too many in-state students of poor quality.</p>
<p>Butt-rade doesn't know what he's talking about.</p>
<p>wth....UCLA Anderson is pretty good....</p>
<p>isn't it?</p>
<p>go to berkeley... haas is #3 in the nation for business undergrad!</p>
<p>Dear Polarbear: It depends on what you're looking for. In terms of starting salaries, alumni network, etc--USC cannot be beat. The alumni connection starts the day you enroll, and goes through internships, jobs at graduation, even jobs years later through alumni clubs. The handholding is significant. If you plan to make your home in California or the Pacific Rim (big presence in Hong Kong), and can afford it, USC is a great choice. Especially if you got into Honors College.</p>
<p>This is not to put down the UCals If you're a bit more independent, planning on going to grad school, can't afford USC, want that "Berkeley" name--all good reasons to go to Berkeley. And of the three, UCLA has by far the prettiest campus and prettiest people. </p>
<p>How lucky you are to be able to chose among three great schools, all with strong programs, great athletics, a fun social scene, lovely climate, and enough WOW factor that no one will ever think you were a slacker in high school.</p>
<p>"Butt-rade doesn't know what he's talking about."</p>
<p>he he!!</p>
<p>Berkeley for sure. Like they said, you can't get much better than Haas. Plus you'd be paying twice as much for an inferior education if you chose USC over Berkeley.</p>
<p>Well, there's an important caveat that we need to consider. The OP hasn't said a whole lot about what he has applied to and gotten admitted to. However, what we need to keep in mind is that while Haas runs a more respected undergraduate business program than does USC, the fact is, admission to Haas is far from automatic. Haas only admits students at the junior level. Plenty of Berkeley incoming freshman come in eventually hoping to get into Haas... and not making it in. Only about half of all continuing Berkeley students who apply to Haas actually get in, and you can only apply once. Furthermore, that number vastly understates the true attrition rate. Many other Berkeley students come in hoping to get into Haas, but then do so poorly in their coursework that they never bother to submit their Haas application because they know they won't get in. Hence, the point is, if you are coming to Berkeley as a freshman hoping to get into Haas, you are running the significant risk that you will not make it in. The competition for spots is brutal, and there is a strong chance that you will end up having to major in something you don't really want to major in, or else transferring to some other university.</p>
<p>Contrast that with the USC bus-ad program, which accepts people at the freshman level (and also accepts continuing students). So if you are admitted as a freshman, then your spot in the program is assured. Berkeley offers no such assurance.</p>
<p>Hence, what you really have to assess is whether it is worth it to take an assured spot at USC bus-ad or to take a chance at Haas.</p>
<p>To be fair, the other side of the coin that sakky brings up is that the students in Marshall are simply not as bright (or hard-working or what have you) as those in Haas. Is this an effect of the automatic admission at USC? I think so.</p>
<p>i got a problem here, i got accepted to USC but not Berkeley which I really wanted to go b/c of cost and the strong business undergrad program. So i am thinking of attedning USC first then transfer to Berkeley later to get in the Haas. Also I am from out-of-state, so after maybe one or two years attending USC, i may be qualify for the in-state tuition for Berkeley if I get in later.
Am I thinking right?</p>
<p>jltrex: As a state school, Cal accepts mostly California Community College transfers. It is MUCH easier to transfer into Cal as a ccc student than as a student at any other school. Plus, getting into Haas is extremely hard even if youre from a ccc. Also, you are only a California citizen if you don't go home in the summer and you have a permanent residence here. I know there are more rules about it than that, all I know is that you dont just get to apply as an instate student because you attend school here 10 months out of the year. So I would not recommend planning on transferring to Haas from USC after 2 years. (Thats another thing, you can only transfer as a junior, never as a sophomore.)</p>
<p>thanks easymack63, great info.</p>
<p>i guess i have to say goodbye to UC berkeley. now it's all up to USC's financial package. I will certainly miss CA if i can't afford USC.<em>_</em></p>
<p>I would add to the point that 05<em>01</em>04 made, which I think he/she implied, but didn't state explicitly. </p>
<p>First, we have to define what automatic admission is. Automatic admission is being admitted to a program straight off the bat, as opposed to having to attend the general university and spend a few years completing a bunch of prereqs, and then try to apply to the program, with no guarantee of being admitted. Automatic admission, by itself, doesn't automatically imply less qualified students. I think we would all agree that Wharton and MIT-Sloan bus-ad students are at least as qualified, if not more so, than Haas students are, despite the fact that Wharton and MIT-Sloan run various forms of automatic admission programs (if you apply directly to Wharton as a freshman and get in, you are obviously guaranteed admission to Wharton, and if you apply to MIT as a whole and get in, then you are guaranteed the right to declare your major in management at MIT-Sloan). What really matters is how hard it is to get that automatic admission in the first place. Wharton is probably the most difficult undergrad program to be admitted to at Penn. MIT doesn't run separate admissions to separate programs - you just apply to MIT as a whole - but I think we can all agree that getting into MIT is no walk in the park by any means. </p>
<p>I would also back up easymack63 and say that it's not even just a matter of not going home in the summer and having a permanent residence. There are many rules one needs to satisfy in order to get California residency for the purposes of UC classification, but one of the keys is to be able to demonstrate financial independence, meaning that you have to credibly demonstrate that you are financially self-sufficient with no help from your parents, which basically means that you have to demonstrate that you have an income source within California (i.e. a full-time job) that pays for all your living costs. Clearly if you're a full-time student, that's not exactly an easy thing to do.</p>