USNWR 2012 Best Colleges Rankings (Prediction)

[xiggi]

<p>Btw, I went back to correct my typos.</p>

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<p>“Conversely, the top public schools in the US like Cal Berkeley, UCLA or even Michigan and Illinois are far more known by people who do not have clue, and are confused by their inability to understand the differences between uneVEdergraduate and graduate school prestige.”</p>

<p>Why do I get a feeling that someone was shaking with some sort of rage as he posted the above message?</p>

[rjkofnovi]

<p>Touche. By the way it is “a” clue. This is a typical mistake made by some internationals.</p>

[GoBlue81]

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I doubt domestic employers in most countries check international and national rankings or they particularly care. The HR department at most elite companies know the difference between a selective and rigorous undergrad, than a massive public research university which takes anyone that can read.

You have no clue what you are talking about.</p>

[DJEureka]

<p>Is Michigan a good school? Yes. Do people see a Berkeley degree as prestigious? Yes. But there are concessions made in being a very large school that make attending less than appealing, one being an apparent lesser selectivity.</p>

[sefago]

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You have no clue what you are talking about.

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<p>And you do? So do you think an elite US firm in some random country would be all over a Penn State grad than over a Dartmouth grad. Like you think they wouldn’t know the difference? No slag on Penn State just an example of an awesome party school where you would have the opportunity to drink 24/7 and take as many basket-weaving classes that could fit your schedule while claiming that the USNWR is a dumb ranking and that international rankings based on research (which you never did anyways or know how to) shows your school is more academic than Dartmouth.</p>

<p>While getting drunk 24/7 of course.</p>

[Apathetic11]

<p>^^</p>

<p>What the hell does ‘apparent lesser selectivity’ mean? Doesn’t Berkeley have a lower acceptance rate than WUSTL?</p>

[rjkofnovi]

<p>Apathetic11: Manipulating selectivity data and reporting it to USNWR is one of the specialties of WUSTL. I believe they might be the best in the country in this area.</p>

[GoBlue81]

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And you do?

I worked for a Fortune 100 company in Asia for many years. I used to cover the region and have many HR friends in Fortune 500 companies. Most of them have no clue about top ranked universities like Emory, Vanderbilt and WUSTL, even less about most of the elite LAC’s.</p>

<p>And yeah, they don’t read USNWR; they are likely more impressed with other world university rankings.</p>

<p>Now tell us about your experience and how you come to make the bold statement in post #184.</p>

[rjkofnovi]

<p>“Conversely, the top public schools in the US like Cal Berkeley, UCLA or even Michigan and Illinois are far more known by people who do not have (a) clue, and are confused by their inability to understand the differences between undergraduate and graduate school prestige.”</p>

<p>I guess that includes you too GoBlue81. Sorry… ;-)</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>Xiggi, my point was I must be as clueless as these internationals who can’t seem to separate nebulous grad and undergrad “prestige”. </p>

<p>I happen to think academic prestige stems from faculty and grad programs more than a cohort of test-prepped 18 year olds.</p>

[DJEureka]

<p>According to their website, Berkeley has an admit rate of around 25.5%, while Wash U was at ~22% last year, and lower this year. Wash U also ranks highly in terms of food, dorms, and overall quality, and anytime anyone starts a thread about visits, people have overwhelmingly excellent things to say.</p>

<p>But its cool if you want to focus on rumors of data manipulation or Tufts syndrome, even though Wash U has higher admissions stats then either Berkeley or Michigan.</p>

[rjkofnovi]

<p>“But its cool if you want to focus on rumors of data manipulation or Tufts syndrome, even though Wash U has higher admissions stats then either Berkeley or Michigan.”</p>

<p>Now you’re catching on…</p>

[DJEureka]

<p>That your arguments aren’t based in facts? Gotcha ;)</p>

[bruno123]

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And you do? So do you think an elite US firm in some random country would be all over a Penn State grad than over a Dartmouth grad.

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<p>I don’t know about Penn State vs Dartmouth, but, in most countries, a Berkeley or Michigan degree for example is likely to be more “marketable” than a degree from, let’s see, Vanderbilt, Emory or Notre Dame, even though USN&WR might suggest otherwise. </p>

<p>That’s one of the reasons why I said USN&WR provides particularly bad guidance to international students who are planning to go back home after graduation.</p>

[DolorousEdd]

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I don’t know about Penn State vs Dartmouth, but, in most countries, a Berkeley or Michigan degree for example is likely to be more “marketable” than a degree from, let’s see, Vanderbilt, Emory or Notre Dame, even though USN&WR might suggest otherwise.

Why is it going to be more marketable? What does “most countries” entail?</p>

[xiggi]

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And yeah, they don’t read USNWR; they are likely more impressed with other world university rankings.

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<p>Yeah, they probably read the London Times rankings! </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/137069-post4.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/137069-post4.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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@GoBlue circa 2004

The London Times ranking has little credibility… It’s just another gimmick to sell newspaper.

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<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/138753-post9.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/138753-post9.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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@GoBlue circa 2004

Here are more examples while the London Times ranking is not worth the paper it’s printed on…</p>

<ol>
<li>Tokyo University</li>
<li>U of Chicago</li>
<li>Beijing University</li>
<li>National U of Singapore</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>U Penn</li>
<li>U of Michigan</li>
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<p>How many of you guys are willing to forego your change to study at Columbia and Johns Hopkins for Tokyo U, Beijing U and National U of Singapore?</p>

<p>Not a single Japanese, Chinese or Singaporean I know of… </p>

<p>What I’m really ‘attacking’ is the credibility of the London Times ranking. Seems to me it was compiled by a team of statisticians with little or no knowledge of the academic world. They fed the data into some sort of formula and came up with the list. If the ranking contains significant discrepancies (e.g., Beijing University), you have to question the validity of the ‘formula’. The London Times ranking contains so many ridiculous discrepancies that there is only one place it deserves -> in the wastebasket.

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[sefago]

<p>^ LOL</p>

<p>One of the reasons why I say subjectivity is dead.</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>ARWU is probably most accurate. ;)</p>

[xiggi]

<p>Regardless of the size of the can or the size of the lid, it remains a garbage can. </p>

<p>Even if ARWU wasn’t the pure garbage it is, it would still lack relevance to this thread or this forum. It is nothing else than a beauty contest for research universities and graduate school programs. </p>

<p>This thread is about the USNews Best Colleges … that should not be so hard to remember.</p>

[sefago]

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ARWU is probably most accurate.

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<p>I agree! I wish I could study at the University of California at San Francisco- Its the 18th best university in the world u know</p>

<p>{Sarcasm}</p>

<p>Oh and Mayo and Mount Sinai really accurate</p>