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Actually CB156 is good … or at least his friends are. Another senior poster agrees too, who wrote:</p>
<p>“Engineering at UNC is far more selective than Michigan engineering. Among the elite universities, only Chicago and Emory have more selective engineering programs than UNC.”</p>
<p>Blue, that was a joke.</p>
<p>But that gives me the perfect platform… my next example is the Miss America pageant.</p>
<p>I agree with this list, but I am a little biased.</p>
<p>Just curious…Do you think the publics’ rankings will remain the same (i.e. Berkeley #1, UVA and UCLA tied for #2, etc.)? Do you anticipate these three to remain in the top 25? Is it possible that the top 25 will be composed exclusively of privates?</p>
<p>I think UNC has a shot at beating out UCB for #1, UNC is essentially private and has one of the lowest acceptance rates. Also, the students there are brilliant and can easily compete with MIT/Harvard.</p>
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That would be news to Chancellor Thorp and President Ross. From UNC’s budget website:</p>
<p>"How does state funding factor into the University’s overall budget?</p>
<p>State appropriations and aid accounted for about 22 percent ($541.75 million) of the University’s $2.4 billion operating budget in fiscal 2009-2010. That support continued more than two centuries of investment in the University by Tar Heel taxpayers. Generous state support over the years is a key reason Carolina has become one of the world’s most highly regarded public research universities…"</p>
<p>While state appropriations account for less than a quarter of Carolina’s total funding, it is critically important revenue that is targeted to support instruction and key academic operations. The academic core depends heavily on these state dollars. Because of its extensive teaching responsibilities, the College of Arts and Sciences, for example, relies on state budget allocations for 79 percent of its operating budget, not including contracts and grants. Of the permanent state budget, about 97 percent is allocated for personnel (60 percent for tenured and tenure-track faculty)…"</p>
<p>Chancellor Thorp, commenting on the state appropriation cut, said recently:</p>
<p>"Nevertheless, we remain very concerned, along with President Ross, about the disproportionate permanent cuts the House proposal would place on the UNC system – a net reduction of nearly $483 million (more than 17 percent) when factoring in proposed reductions to need-based financial aid.</p>
<p>At Carolina, our state dollars primarily support undergraduate instruction, so absorbing permanent cuts of this magnitude – more than $75 million – would mean long-term damage to how the faculty can teach students. We would have to make tough choices about dramatically increasing class sizes and reducing the number of sections we can offer. And there would be serious implications for the University’s ability to pay for teaching positions at all levels that are supported by state funding, along with additional key staff positions…"</p>
<p>my friends said it’s only about 2% public funding, so I’m not sure if that’s accurate.</p>
<p>Who would you believe … your friend or Chancellor Thorp? Don’t answer that, I think I know the answer.</p>
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<p>acceptance rates don’t necessarily mean prestigious or good university.</p>
<p>i thought UNC was supposed to have like really low OOS acceptance rates. If that’s the case there’d be no way it’d be essentially private; the essentially private “public universities” are schools like Michigan and Virginia with have high OOS acceptance rates; UCLA and Cal are on there way there too though.</p>
<p>At this point, the only schools i see potentially beating out berkeley are UCLA or UVA. However, due to the stupid PA surveys, i doubt this would happen because even if berkeley is a worse university than it was 20-30 years ago, it’s still being considered with the same prestige from 70 years ago. And prestige, just like it takes much time to gain, also takes much time to lose.</p>
<p>lol, CollegeBound. You try too hard.</p>
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Uh, no, it’s not “widely accepted”. UNC is definitely a good school; there’s no doubt. In fact, my D applied and was accepted (OOS). However, to say it has “the smartest” is a pretty bold statement. You might want to look at Berkeley’s, UVa’s, UCLA’s, UMich’s, and W&M’s SAT averages and percentage of students in the top ten percent of their class before making such a sweeping generalization. </p>
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Doubtful.</p>
<p>why is USNews ranking for UNC trending upward then? clearly they have the better students.</p>
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USNWR ranking for UNC through the years:</p>
<p>'88: #11
'89-'92: #23, #18, #20, #25
'93-'95: not ranked
'96-'01: #27, #25, #27, #24, #27, #25
'02-'07: #28, #28, #29, #29, #27, #27
'08: #28
'09: #30
'10: #28
'11: #30</p>
<p>Which side is up, again?</p>
<p>Please do not feed the ■■■■■. Look at this thread and my meaning will become clear.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1090473-schools-engineering-3.html#post13138599[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1090473-schools-engineering-3.html#post13138599</a></p>
<p>CollegeBound…The statistics align almost perfectly with the current USNWR rankings. (W&M should be ahead of UNC.) Again, UNC is a fabulous school; however, there are others:</p>
<p>#22 UCB
98% in top 10th of graduating class
SAT Composite Mean: 2035
SAT Critical Reading: 600 - 730<br>
SAT Math: 630 - 760<br>
SAT Writing: 610 - 740
ACT Composite: 27 - 33 </p>
<p>** #25 UVA**
90% in top 10th of graduating class
SAT Composite Mean: 2000
SAT Critical Reading: 600 - 710<br>
SAT Math: 620 - 740<br>
SAT Writing: 610 - 720
ACT Composite: 28 - 34 </p>
<p>#25 UCLA
97% in top 10th of graduating class
SAT Composite Mean: 1940
SAT Critical Reading: 570 - 680<br>
SAT Math: 600 - 740<br>
SAT Writing: 580 - 710
ACT Composite: 25 - 31</p>
<p>#29 UMich
84% in top 10th of graduating class
SAT Composite Mean: 1995
SAT Critical Reading: 590 - 690<br>
SAT Math: 640 - 750<br>
SAT Writing: 610 - 710
ACT Composite: 27 - 31</p>
<p>#30 UNC
78% in top 10th of graduating class
SAT Composite Mean: 1945
SAT Critical Reading: 590 - 700<br>
SAT Math: 610 - 710<br>
SAT Writing: 590 - 690
ACT Composite: 27 - 31 </p>
<p>#31 William and Mary
79% in top 10th of graduating class
SAT Composite Mean: 2020
SAT Critical Reading: 640 - 730<br>
SAT Math: 620 - 710<br>
SAT Writing: 620 - 720
ACT Composite: 28 - 32</p>
<p>I’d like to see where you got these #s, they don’t look correct to me. Anyway, regardless of the #s it’s clear that UNC is much harder to get into OOS versus those schools. Talk to anyone outside of the US, they’ll only know UNC not those other schools.</p>
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Uh, 'ruin, Berkeley is not a worse university than it was 20-30 years ago. The faculty prestige has continued to remain the same (i.e. the best faculty outside Harvard and Stanford) and levels of selectivity have only increased.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/11668698-post95.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/11668698-post95.html</a></p>
<p>^ uh, past methodology of USNWR ranking was 100% peer assessment. If we use that same methodology today, Berkeley would be ranked #6. Nothing has changed…only USNWR methodology.</p>
<p>USNWR ranking for UNC through the years:</p>
<p>'88: #11
'89-'92: #23, #18, #20, #25
'93-'95: not ranked
'96-'01: #27, #25, #27, #24, #27, #25
'02-'07: #28, #28, #29, #29, #27, #27
'08: #28
'09: #30
'10: #28
'11: #30</p>