Ut honors vs Mich

[Amybwb]

What did you do to gain residency and how long did it take???

[Amybwb]

Right now ahe wants poli sci/gov but who knkws after being there if it will confinue

[Amybwb]

Yes mine feels the same way

[brantly]

Guns are allowed on campus at four-year state universities in Texas as of August 2016. That alone would cause me to prohibit my child from going to college at UT.
http://www.armedcampuses.org/texas/
http://www.newsweek.com/campus-carry-texas-implementation-416644

Guns are not allowed to be carried on campus at University of Michigan.
http://www.armedcampuses.org/michigan/

If anyone wants to look up the law for states your child is considering, look here:
http://www.armedcampuses.org

[danfer91]

@brantly Concealed carry is allowed on campus right now. It’s just extended to the interior of campus buildings in August. The licenses for concealed carry are actually quite strict in Texas as well. You have to be 21, no criminal record, background checks, etc. The new law would apply to about 2 percent of the college population at UT. Other safety precautions can be mandated by the university as well; holsters that don’t allow the gun to move, being stored in a safe compartment, etc.

[billcsho]

^.That reminds me the recent campus shooting.

[brantly]

@danfer91 That’s not what this says about current law:

According to the Texas Penal Code (Tex. Penal Code § 46.03(a) and Tex. Penal Code § 46.03(f) an individuals are prohibited from intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possessing or going with a firearm on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or in a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution. Concealed weapons permit holders are subject to this prohibition with the following exceptions.

http://www.armedcampuses.org/texas/

Is this^^^wrong?

Here’s the new law:

Effective Dates: August 1, 2016 for all state 4-year colleges and universities; August 1, 2017 for all state 2-year and junior colleges.
The new Texas law will permit individuals who have obtained a concealed handgun license (CHL) to carry their loaded, concealed weapon in college and university buildings. Each college and university may determine certain sensitive areas and buildings* where concealed weapons will continue to be prohibited. Each college and university must publically display campus policies on the official school website, as well as widely publicizing it among correspondence with the institution’s faculty, staff, and students. Previous laws permitting the concealed carry with a license on open campus grounds and in locked vehicles in parking lots will remain unchanged (see note 2 below).
*The sensitive areas will first be determined by the institution and will include representatives from the student body, faculty, and staff. Once the sensitive areas are approved by this committee, they will be sent to the Board of Regents for a 2/3 vote for approval.
Link to law: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/pdf/SB00011F.pdf#navpanes=0

http://www.armedcampuses.org/texas/

[danfer91]

I’m fairly certain that’s referring to high schools, junior highs, and elementary schools. I could of course be wrong, however I was sent a pdf several months ago about this and it said pretty much precisely what I summarized. I could try to find it for you and send you a PM if you’d like. I wasn’t particularly in favor of guns on campus by the way, but after reading this pdf it didn’t worry me so much anymore, and I go to a university in Texas. It’s not as if someone planning on shooting up a school is going to go through the trouble of obtaining a concealed carry license anyway. Your bags aren’t ever checked as you’re walking onto campus. Someone could easily carry a gun onto practically every campus in the country without detection.

[danfer91]

Super off topic. But I wouldn’t let it affect your decision on which school to choose. You would never notice this law while attending UT.

[brantly]

It’s not as if someone planning on shooting up a school is going to go through the trouble of obtaining a concealed carry license anyway. Your bags aren’t ever checked as you’re walking onto campus. Someone could easily carry a gun onto practically every campus in the country without detection.

The point is that it makes it harder for law enforcement to do their jobs.

The International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators (IACLEA) has stated that “There is…a real concern that campus police officers responding to a situation involving an active shooter may not be able to distinguish between the shooter and others with firearms at colleges that allow guns on their premises.”

This is an interesting read too. “Texans Prepare for Concealed Guns on Campuses”
http://www.newsweek.com/campus-carry-texas-implementation-416644
From the article:

At the University of Texas at Austin, faculty members worry that guns in classrooms could curb free speech. One professor emeritus there reportedly said he would resign rather than teach with guns in his classroom.

“This is an invasion of higher education and we don’t like it,” says Max Snodderly, a neuroscience professor at UT-Austin and a member of the group Gun Free UT, which faculty members founded in August. “I don’t want guns in my classroom, I don’t want guns in my office, I don’t want guns in the student residences.”

Snodderly adds, “People who teach in controversial subjects are very worried about this, that somebody could get angry and then we’ve got a real problem…. If people know guns are around, it’s going to chill free speech. It’s going to infringe on academic freedom.”

In any case, regarding the choice that the OP’s daughter has to make, this might influence the decision of a student from the metro New York area.

[longhornedgator]

My daughter is attending UT and although I was raised in Texas and comfortable with it’s gun laws, this definitely was an area of concern for our family. Then I thought that G-d forbid a crazy person entered a classroom where my child was with a gun, I would be thankful for a concealed carrier who could protentially save the day. Also, crazy people who intend to shoot people up generally look to attack unarmed citizens and will most likely stay away from potential conflict. Regarding the one-on-one threat to professors…that is a completely valid concern and up to each professor as far as their comfort level and choice to stay at UT. Honestly disgruntled students can be found anywhere and could carry a gun with or without a permit! Did any school shooters in recent times or terrorists even have a license let alone a concealed license? That’s rhetorical…I don’t know the anawer.
Just my opinion.