<p>Read an article in Wall Street journal about this... Texas A&M is #2?!
Top</a> 25 Colleges Ranked By Recruiters - WSJ.com</p>
<p>There is already a thread about this in here. Read the methodology, the study has a very narrow scope… and frankly a bit flawed IMO.</p>
<p>yeah It looks flawed a bit because Tech and A&M are ranked up their in the top 25’s but their is no explaination as to why they are ranked in such a way.</p>
<p>Yeah I posted this on another thread and was also shocked not to see UT not anywhere in the Top 25. Especially since it’s a large school. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t UT rated #1 for career services a few years ago?</p>
<p>Ut is on the list - just not in top 25. It is in the top 45… after the top 25 the next 20 are listed in alpha order
[Best</a> Colleges: Second Tier Recruiter Picks - WSJ.com](<a href=“Best Colleges: Job Recruiters Pick Top Colleges & Universities - WSJ”>Best Colleges: Job Recruiters Pick Top Colleges & Universities - WSJ)</p>
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<p>I see. Not surprised about a&m. They have a strong network system.</p>
<p>This article by the McCombs school will answer all of your questions: [A</a> Horse Race or a Pony Show? WSJ Attempts an Undergrad Ranking](<a href=“http://blogs.mccombs.utexas.edu/mccombs-today/2010/09/a-horse-race-or-a-pony-show-wsj-attempts-an-undergrad-ranking/]A”>http://blogs.mccombs.utexas.edu/mccombs-today/2010/09/a-horse-race-or-a-pony-show-wsj-attempts-an-undergrad-ranking/)</p>
<p>Nice find soadquake!</p>
<p>Not to hijack the thread, but I was recently alerted to another puzzling college ranking–new world rankings from Times Higher Education, which UT was not ranked among the top 200 schools according to their criteria. [Top</a> 200 - The Times Higher Education World University Rankings 2010-2011](<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html]Top”>World University Rankings 2010-11 | Times Higher Education (THE))</p>
<p>This omission comes after having ranked UT as high as 50-something a few years ago and while other (current) rankings put the university as high as #38 in the world (and no lower than #76).</p>
<p>Particularly outrageous about it is that bottom-tier schools like Hawaii, Drexel, and Kent State made the list, as well as lower-tier big publics like Utah, UMass, and Arizona State. It’s almost like they just forgot UT altogether.</p>
<p>In any case, it’s bad press (or rather, a lack of press) for UT as these rankings are evidently quite popular.</p>
<p>Wow, I really don’t know what to tell you. FRom what I’ve heard about the THES rankings, they’ve changed their methodology and put less emphasis on prestige and more focus on research and teaching.</p>
<p>Regardless however, this has been a pretty bad week for academic rankings for Texas. First the recruiters per the WSJ don’t like us, next thing you know it, we’re not even tops in the world for schools per THES. The only ones that really like Texas are US News and ARWU. I’m hoping for a better ranking next year from WSJ and THES.</p>
<p>Just wanted to add, I downloaded the iPhone app for the THES rankings to see the rest of the Top 400 and Texas wasn’t on there either! My guess is, either Texas didn’t supply any statistics/refused to participate, or this publication is just snubbing Texas out. I mean, if you’re gonna put UTD and UTA in the Top 400, something ain’t right.</p>
<p>The only rankings that really mean anything are US news and Businessweek. When I saw tech ahead of MIT, I couldn’t help but laugh…</p>
<p>USNews rankings don’t mean anything either. I don’t know why people get so riled up about them. Their methodology is terrible. As their own website says:</p>
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The U.S. News rankings of undergraduate engineering programs accredited by ABET, formerly known as the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology, are based solely on the peer judgments of deans and senior faculty who rated each program they are familiar with on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished).
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<p>Who cares about peer judgement?</p>
<p>I agree that peer judgement isn’t the best way to look at a school, but I think USofPlutarchy is saying US News mean the most because they’re popular among high school seniors.</p>
<p>Regardless, most academic rankings are practically flawed or biased in its own way. But let’s be realistic here, don’t any of you find the recruiter score to hold some pretty good value. I mean, the point of going to college is getting a great job right? </p>
<p>Let’s look at that article soadquake981 posted. “Why this doesn’t make sense” is because US News has PA scores ranking Texas so highly in almost every engineering and business field. On the other hand, the corporate recruiters per the WSJ think otherwise. Texas didn’t land anywhere in the Top 25 in ANY field. Hmmmm.</p>
<p>Could there be a flaw in the rankings? One flaw that was pointed out in the article was that they didn’t show the number of industries responding. It actually does explain on the WSJ website. I believe there were like 30 different ones. That’s impressive. Furthermore, the response rate of the survey was actually, imo, really good. About 479 recruiters responded which was a 57% response rate. That’s a better response rate that US News(when they do Graduate rankings that is) or BusinessWeek’s which usually ranges between 25%-30%. And then there’s the number of recruiters that show up on campus. soadquake’s article claims Texas has about 150 of them coming to campus this fall. According to the WSJ, the top 3 had around 400 in a year(note: #2 A&M didn’t report how many they had). I personally find job fairs to be pointless considering all they tell you is to apply online. You’re better off waiting in line for a lottery ticket. But hey, showing up is a sign of effort and it does probably cost thousands of dollars. So I don’t think there was too much wrong with what WSJ was doing. Though it is laughable to see ASU at #5.</p>
<p>Perhaps those concerned(including myself) are looking at it the wrong way. Is there a major problem with Texas grads? Seems like they’re living up to Playboy’s #1 Party School ranking. Do these grads have a high opinion of themselves and read too much into what the US News rankings say? What happened? Why don’t these recruiters think highly of Texas?</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents. Discuss.</p>
<p>I don’t know about the other colleges, but Cockrell has a very good reputation among employers – especially for chemical/petroleum engineering. That’s the main reason why I came to UT from the Pacific Northwest. I am 100% certain that I will get a better (chemical engineering) job after graduating from UT compared to graduating from places like MIT and Berkeley.</p>
<p>Soadquake, talk to Dean Gilligan and see if he thinks USNews means anything. I’m not in Cockrell or anything, but at McCombs, all that the alumnus and dean care about are rankings and the McCombs brand. Like I said, this may be different for other colleges at UT though, but the rankings everyone takes seriously are Forbes, BW and USNews. I agree with what you’re saying though, the concept of rankings means little.</p>
<p>JHB, it doesn’t even matter what those recruiters that the WSJ polled think. When I just got an investment banking internship and see kids getting front office FT jobs at McKinsey, Goldman, BAML, Conoco, HFs and JP Morgan, does it even really matter what other recruiters think?</p>
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<p>I wonder how seriously McCombs would take WSJ if they had us at the Top 5.</p>
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<p>I’m not questioning what firms/organizations are recruiting at UT. Of course, Texas should have impressive companies on campus. My question is why these firms didn’t rate Texas as well-rounded, well-prepared for the corporate world. I mean for crying out loud, these recruiters favored big-instate schools over ivies. You’d think Texas would be somewhere up there. Afterall, if you’re a high school senior, wouldn’t you want to go to a school that prepares you well for the business world?</p>
<p>I will agree however that this is just “another” ranking with some flaws. It doesn’t go into the job placement stats or salaries for recent grads. And after reading BW’s profile on UT, they had around 380 or so companies recruit on campus. So who know’s which ranking is best.</p>
<p>Actually in Cockrell they seriously care about ranking. Every class , even my 317 class, the professor posts up the Engineering ranking nationally and brags about how great UT is and how its because of our faculty and students etc.</p>
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<p>Well I hope they pay attention to ARWU rankings. Texas is ranked 6th in the world there.</p>
<p>FWIW, the people I know who graduated from UT in '10, especially the business/accounting majors, tended to get amazing jobs from top companies before graduation (Google, Ernest and Young, etc). Not a representative/random sample at all, but just FYI.</p>