<p>The Plan II program forces its students to think in more than one way. Plan II Physics, The Freshman World Lit., The Logic and Modes of Reasoning class, and the Senior Thesis are aspects that are required for Plan II that require you to read, learn, write, and think in completely different ways. Science and math is a huge part of Plan II and if you are shaky or unwilling to learn in that context for a good part of Plan II, you may want to reexamine your perception of what Plan II is. It's not some honors liberal arts program where you can get away with writing flowery, BS essays. A warning to all: If you were accepted into Plan II and you think a large part of it was because of your writing ability be very cautious. Plan II, especially your first year World Lit. course, is notorious for transforming how you write, whether you want to or not. I suggest to anyone accepted in Plan II this year to take Alan Friedman's World Lit. class, he is simply amazing.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, I have tons of respect for the Plan II program as well as for the few of my friends that are a part of it. I just don't think I am or could ever be "cut out" for it.</p>
<p>Agreed, schismmanifesto. If you think you were a good or even decent writer in high school, Plan II World Lit. will strip all of that confidence and teach you a whole different meaning of writing. </p>
<p>World Lit. profs can spot all of that fancy AP Lit. BS a mile away.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that I don't want to do Plan II, but I'm just saying that I could deal with not taking science. I was never any good at science classes, and the prospect of taking physics again gives me a downright fright. I did get to sit in through one of the Plan II Lit classes when I was visiting and I loved their discussions of the Metamorphoses of Ovan (something like that).</p>
<p>Hi -- I'm a prospective Plan II student.
I like that Plan II students take classes in a lot of different disciplines. I'm probably more of a humanities/social sciences "type," though. I do well in my math/science classes (...but I'm no award winner/crazy researcher as you find here on CC), but I haven't really liked how most of them have been taught. Are classes in math and science structured differently compared to high school? Do they emphasize the history of math/science (which I enjoy)? And is there ever reading assigned for the classes (Dawkins, Gould, Darwin, etc.).?</p>
<p>Thanks a lot.</p>
<p>Juan, it was Ovid's Metamorphoses. Were you in Dr. Garrison's class? :)</p>
<p>And pretty much everyone in Plan II will recommend their World Lit class to you. Everyone loves them, and they haven't really experienced anything different. But if you want to do less work than everyone else, take Bump's class.</p>
<p>And I don't know about flowery, BS essays, but honestly the training I learned in AP Lit has served me very well on my essays (one of which I should be writing now). I generally go more in depth on a smaller section of the narrative here, but my writing style hasn't change significantly and my grades are satisfactory. Honestly I get better grades here than my high school English teachers gave me, and I don't see much difference between a 90 and a 99 on a paper. This isn't high school English--an A is an A regardless of how good it is. While I would love to get high As on my papers, what I'm doing now is working fine for me.</p>
<p>Plan II physics was the bane of my life last semester. 3 hours of class a week, followed by 1-2 hours of discussion of the homework, followed by the weekly 6 hour marathon session of actually doing the homework...I had Gleeson, and he was a nice guy, but his lectures are incoherent. I have some layman's familiarity with modern physics (and this class is entirely about modern theories of light, relativity, and quantum physics), but I could only get a vague sense of what was going on in class, primarily because he communicates through gibberish words and throwing chalk at you. </p>
<p>But, it's a rite of passage, and Plan II kids love to whine about it (as I've just done). Heck, the first thing comes up when I meet a Plan II alum is that class. And considering how inflated the rest of Plan II grading is, it's not the most unfair thing in the world. It just feels like it is when you're up at 3 AM wondering how many molecules of CO2 you exhale in every breath given the number of calories in a jelly bean.</p>
<p>theloneranger, yeah, I think that it was his class. It seemed pretty cool, I really would like to be involved in classes like that, but as utx07 stated, I would not like physics to be, once more, "the bane of my life".</p>
<p>Gleeson is retiring this year so I have no idea who will replace him...</p>
<p>schismmanifesto, what are your views on the physics classes?</p>
<p>Haha
<3 BUMP!</p>
<p>can you apply to Plan II as a sophomore once ur at UT as a freshmen? I regret not applying originally in December… :/</p>
<p>MidwesternMom: Is Plan 1 honors the same as LAH? I was going to suggest that the OP look at that program if he had not already.</p>
<p>Take shot at Plan II, its supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. (literally lol)
if credit is really an issue, go to a school just as good or better than UT that will accept it</p>
<p>Sunshinel0lip0p- the Plan II website expressly says that they don’t accept transfer applications because the majority of the Plan II coursework happens in the first year and thus transferring in to Plan II would result in missing the crux of Plan II. Sorry :(</p>
<p>Here’s the link:</p>
<p>[Plan</a> II Honors Program](<a href=“Plan II Honors Program | Liberal Arts | UT - Austin”>Plan II Honors Program | Liberal Arts | UT - Austin)</p>