UT vs. University of Michigan

Colleges and Universities A-Z The University of Texas at Austin
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<p>USofPLutarchy</p>

<p>Thanks for your info and Congrats on your success. That is truly impressive, and I am excited for you and your future. Well done!</p>

<p>If I may, could I ask you, what in your opinion, could have been the keys to your success at UT McCombs, with interviews, internships etc.</p>

<p>Any other info on your EC’s, leadership, GPA, major(s), interview prep or other distinguishing factors would be valuable.</p>

<p>I can sense that you are probably an aggressive guy (in a positive, go-getter fashion), are probably quite hardworking from a networking standpoint. I doubt you take no for an answer, so those are a few level instincts I am picking up.</p>

<p>But any tips/advice from you, in some detail, would be most appreciated.</p>

<p>FYI, I have not visited UT (other than walking around or driving by) or McCombs but will be there for an hour this Friday PM with my daughter, and then visit some dorms on Sat AM. So, my in-person detailed experience is limited to East Coast universities and via phone, video chat and email with UT McCombs BHP students. Depending on her first year experienece/performance my daughter will probably try for BHP, but it’s too early to say. In that sense, I am keen to hear more about your experience and your learnings/suggestions. We are from the DFW area BTW, and moved here about 5 yrs ago from the NYC/CT area.</p>

<p>Thanks and cheers!</p>

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<p>Another factor that may affect your decision is that U-M Ross will have a new dean in August 2011.</p>

<p>Here is an article and interview where she describes what attracted her to Ross and her goals/priorities.</p>

<p>[Alison</a> Davis-Blake named new dean of Michigan’s Ross School of Business](<a href=“Alison Davis-Blake named new dean of Michigan’s Ross School of Business | University of Michigan News”>Alison Davis-Blake named new dean of Michigan’s Ross School of Business | University of Michigan News)</p>

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<p>In my humble opinion, I think Ross could have done way better. I’m surprised that’s the best they could find. An Organizational Behavior person? I don’t see the leadership, industry contacts or shining strategic vision. Does not seem that strong…</p>

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<p>With 332 admits into the preferred student program, I’m surprised their SAT is so high, and that their enrolled numbers are so low. Just saying.</p>

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<p>Given the location, there’s a lot of folks in that pool who are common applicants to both Ross and Wharton. Wharton has a larger class size, and if one of them in that common pool gets accepted to Wharton, they likely decline Ross. Hence, the high SAT with lower enrolled %.</p>

<p>If you look at the final class stats (after the non-preferred admits enter Ross), they are not anywhere close to Wharton, and pretty much on par with UT. At least, that what the 2010 BW stats show:</p>

<p><a href=“Bloomberg - Are you a robot?”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?;

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<p>quantman07, if you look at the Business School section of the WSJ, you will see numerous article about business school education migrating toward globalization.</p>

<p>[Business</a> Schools – MBA Rankings and Executive Education Programs - Wsj.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/public/page/business-schools.html]Business”>http://online.wsj.com/public/page/business-schools.html)</p>

<p>U-M Ross hired Dr. Blake-Davis because, “She also has great experience with globalizing the educational experience of students at Carlson, managing alliances with schools in Europe and Asia and implementing a required overseas experience for undergraduates.” </p>

<p>According to university provost Phil Hanlon, who chose Ms. Davis-Blake out of three finalists selected by a search committee. “Our growth outside the U.S. is one of our highest priorities,” he says. “We think that’s where the majority of job growth will be.”</p>

<p>U-M Ross looked beyond traditional hires when they were looking for a new Dean.</p>

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<p>Ross is a business school that is ranked much higher than McCombs and has a better reputation nationally. Of course, if you want to end up in Texas or the south, then McCombs may be the place. Anywhere else-- and Michigan wins out. Just look at the stats. FYI, a large % of Ross students end up in NYC. Please note that Ross only lets a handful of students in via preferred admissions so don’t assume that you will get in. FYI, I am a college counselor and just had a child graduate from Mich- every single one of his peers has a job and they are primarily in New York, California and, of course, the Midwest. There still ARE jobs for students from the top business schools.</p>

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<p>Once you get to the top tier business schools it really doesnt matter which one, they are all rigorous and demanding and it will come down to your GPA, involvement (intern, research, etc), and your GMAT if you wanna go do a mba. Pick the one where you would have fun and be motivated to work hard. Your success will come down to you at this point, not your school</p>

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<p>quantman07 - Any experience with Notre Dame’s B school? Specifically, accounting grads.</p>

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<p>^This belongs on another thread. This is a UT-McComb / U-M Ross discussion.^</p>

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<p>m1817</p>

<p>As someone who lived out of a suitcase for 21 years, managing global businesses, and spending about 50%-60% of the business days outside the US for nearly each and every one of those years (on the road lifestyle burns you out), in all regions, I’d like to think I know just a little bit about globalization and global businesses.</p>

<p>I know a global businessperson when I see one, read the CV, listen to them speak, analyze what they have done etc, and I’m just not convinced.</p>

<p>Since you are at UT, I believe you are yet to get the robust, hands-on experience over many years to judge well on this measure/criteria. I’m not saying I know it all (because the globe is too big and too complex); but from what I know, this is a lot of talk, polish and veneer, with relationship building, alliance work etc.</p>

<p>In any event, UM expanding internationally (maybe they will expand to a few more countries in the next 5 years), really does very little for the grads at Ross. With Facebook and Twitter and Google and Apple, globalization is actually making the globe smaller and smaller in some ways, and creating new complexities in new ways, IMO.</p>

<p>Do they teach negotiating skills at Ross, by country? Now, that’s a lot of learning!</p>

<p>Do they teach consumer behavior at Ross, by country?</p>

<p>Do they teach legal issues, by country?</p>

<p>Without this type of detail and granularity, its all just packaging and marketing (I know a thing or two about that), but not much depth or content, when you open the Dean’s experience package.</p>

<p>I really think Ross/U of M sub-optimized with this decision. Pretty underwhelming…</p>

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<p>Tiger 1992</p>

<p>Notre Dame is pretty good for accounting. Good rep, networking, alumni etc.</p>

<p>Hope you like doing a lot of volunteer work outside the US, Notre Dame kinda pushes that hard.</p>

<p>As for actg, know where you want to work tax/auditing/consulting/M&A work/forensics etc, and dive deeper into their program and faculty. Peel back the onion a lot!</p>

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<p>quantman07 - I’m trying to choose between ND and UT for accounting. Will probably pursue MPA either at another school after BS, or as an intergrated program. Not sure yet what I want to do after graduating but interested in working for a large company or consulting, possibly in healthcare. Any insights?</p>

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<p>@bimow1 Ross is ranked much higher? lol Ross dropped from #4 to #8, with McCombs at #10. Plus I don’t know where you are spewing this recruiting BS from. McCombs has a better recruiter survey ranking. The only b-school that stands out from the other top 10 is Wharton. Go back to the U of M boards and keep trying to convince yourselves that you have a prestigious b-school.</p>

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<p>Tiger 1992</p>

<p>Have you taken any accounting courses yet?</p>

<p>Do you have any family members in acctg/Finance?</p>

<p>Which school in DFW area are you from (if you wish Privacy name 3 you could be from)?</p>

<p>Since you are from DFW what is the draw to Ross?</p>

<p>Have you lived outside of Texas?</p>

<p>At this time, what are your LT career goals (name 3, please)</p>

<p>I think you have very impressive stats and I want to take some time to understand the person?</p>

<p>Finally, what would you say makes you tick? (music, sports, fashion, people, money, scope of responsibility, winning, doing good in the world, helping people self actualize, changing the world, creating new products/services etc, etc)</p>

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<p>@usofp UM DOES have a prestigious b school… to say otherwise is foolish. besides, between usnews and businessweek, UM averages 6th and UT averages 8.5. obviously, not too much difference but if Ross isn’t prestigious, how can you make the claim that McCombs is?</p>

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<p>Have you taken any accounting courses yet? One in HS, did very well. It just clicks with me, I like math but applied math not just pure, and I like managing. Lots of engineers in the family, so I know that’s not for me. Have been curious about Industrial Engineering, tho.</p>

<p>Do you have any family members in acctg/Finance? Both parents but not pure accounting</p>

<p>Which school in DFW area are you from (if you wish Privacy name 3 you could be from)? Prefer not to answer</p>

<p>Since you are from DFW what is the draw to Ross? Did not apply to Ross, either UT or ND. Accepted at other schools but these are ones with most “highly regarded” accounting programs (I was told not to say “top ranked” since rankings change all the time!)</p>

<p>Have you lived outside of Texas? No but traveled a lot.</p>

<p>At this time, what are your LT career goals (name 3, please) CFO of major hospital, consulting in healthcare with Big 4 (was told by a partner at one that it is their fastest growing field,) my own consulting business</p>

<p>I think you have very impressive stats and I want to take some time to understand the person?</p>

<p>Finally, what would you say makes you tick? I like to fix problems and find better ways to do things (competitive so I like to find a better solution than anyone else, but I don’t care if it’s my solution or knowing the best solution when I see it.) An athlete (why I’m competitive, I guess,) lots of real interest in volunteer work.<br>
Thanks for ideas. Applied to BHP at UT, but haven’t heard anything, so not expecting to get in. May apply next year if I go to UT.</p>

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<p>Tiger 1992</p>

<p>OK, so my thoughts, for what it’s worth:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>If you get into BHP pick UT. Program within a program, great recruiting demand, small class sizes. Better than Notre Dame.</p></li>
<li><p>Else, seriously consider Notre Dame. I say this because at Notre Dame class sizes will be smaller, compared to regular McCombs. It’s also a better fit given your volunteer focus, due to their history and Jesuit nature.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Also, if you are not in BHP you cannot double major at UT McCombs. At Notre Dame you can double major in both Accounting and Consulting (no specific Consulting ‘major’ at UT). Given your LT goals to be in Consulting that could be important.</p>

<p>Notre Dame alumni strength/intensity of affiliation is unique, kind of like the Aggies, except with the Jesuit touch. Campus is truly beautiful (but UT is more eclectic, both in terms of campus, and diversity/town).</p>

<p>Notre Dame undergrad may be (and I stress may) better to get into a top notch MBA program (ceteris paribus), compared to non-BHP McCombs.</p>

<p>It’s always good for a recruiter to also see someone from Texas go to Indiana. Says something about leaving your comfort zone. You wont be competing with too many other Texans come recruiting time at Notre Dame. You will stand out.</p>

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<p>For engineering, which school is better? OOS tuition prices for both schools, but Texas still cheaper than Michigan</p>

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<p>quantman07:
Thank you for info. I see pros and cons for both, but do not see that you think one school is much better overall than the other. Cost is important, too. About $120,000 difference over four years and starting salaries are very close. Mom suggests undergrad at UT and elsewhere for grad to see another view of the business world and end up with no debt. Have older siblings in school (engineers) both at OOS schools but good scholarships. No scholarships at either UT or ND. Would love BHP but not up to me!!</p>