My thought is that all this deceit, lying, hypocrisy, and selfishness is stealing time from us. At least in my case, the optimism and promise of June has deteriorated into more anger and resentment for the selfish. Our retirement was planned to involve lots of travel. We are happy to have had 3 good years, but now have wasted 2 years of good health, with the prospect of 2022 not looking much better. When it comes to the stages of grief as applied to COVID, I can’t get past ‘anger’.
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Have a 50 year old acquaintance who won’t get vaccinated, no conspiracy theories or political issues. But I can’t understand why she won’t get vaccinated to protect her 88 year old mother…but she will if she has to so she can travel.
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And now the Washington Post has written about the unvaxxed getting ICU beds, and the morality of it.
LMK if this is behind a paywall. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/01/do-unvaccinated-deserve-scarce-icu-beds/?fbclid=IwAR3_fHy4Sa-9GHoF1pYkX1AUe-_WM9rSJklyGUfdw4glzufc22lT7IidL9s
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People don’t trust doctors and science when it comes to the vaccine, but when they get sick, they want to be first in line to get treated by doctors and science.
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It boils down to this:
Vax Americana wants to hold the unvaccinated accountable for the public toll of their private choices. But, once through the hospital doors, that’s a dangerous piece of road. We depend on health-care providers to save us from the cumulative costs of our luck, imperfections and weaknesses. And we are, none of us, perfect. Trust between doctors and patients depends on the exercise of medical, not moral, judgment, and we all benefit from their dispassion.
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I have finally moved past “rage” to “depressed”. Rage was better.
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I agree that we need nonjudgemental triage in hospitals.
I’m just glad I live in a place with a high vaccination and mask-wearing rate where the hospitals have not yet been completely overwhelmed because I don’t know what I would have done if my vaccinated teen daughter wasn’t able to get the emergency surgery she needed when she needed it a couple months ago.
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If I’m unlucky enough to end up in the hospital for any reason I certainly hope they don’t require more than my word regarding vaccine status. It would be crap to be asked to show a vaccine card before being treated. I don’t carry mine around with me and don’t really think it would be appropriate to have to show it anyway. That’s just my thoughts.
To be honest @Juno16 I guess I oscillate between anger/rage and depression. Not sure which one annoys my wife more.
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Just had a trip to the ER for a non-covid thing, with my immune compromised DH. I am also immune compromised. I sure was glad to show my vax card at the door. If they are doing it for everyone, and triaging potential covid cases elsewhere in the hospital, that seems like good protocol to me.
Eta: there were a couple of toddlers there, with broken arms or whatnot, and the parents looked terrified to be there, assessing the risks for their unvaxed little ones.
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Are we reading minds now? The parents looked terrified to be there and therefore it had to be because they were assessing covid risks? Maybe they were terrified because their kid had a serious issue that required the emergency room and the way they looked had nothing to do with covid. People need to be careful about assuming others are thinking the same way they are.
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Perhaps worth taking a photo to store on your phone. I don’t carry my vaccine card but usually have my phone with me.
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So far, places that want to see proof of VAX that I’ve encountered have been fine with photo of my VAX card on my phone. I present the photo regularly at my mom’s CCRC, which requires proof of VAX.
I have photos of my card, H’s and mine.
Why the need to chastise me? Geez.
Could it be possible I talked to someone?
Also, I can assess when someone looks other people up and down, has a scared look on their face, does a mental calculation, and then moves to the other side of the waiting room, that they are avoiding contact.
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I’m sorry I picked on you. I am just so fed up with the extreme paranoia on this forum. I know no one in real life who is scared like the people here are. I don’t know anyone who is constantly assessing risks. Even my 86 year old cancer patient mother doesn’t do this. Tomorrow my sister and I are taking her out to eat an indoor (gasp!) restaurant. She is looking forward to it.
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I do in fact have a photo of it on my phone. Again, I would hope I wouldn’t have to prove that I’m vaccinated to get treatment.
It’s ok. People are just really agitated. All of us.
Fwiw, I think this is a regional thing. I live in a place where vax compliance is pretty good and mask compliance is almost 100%. There is a lot of outrage specifically over sending <12 kids to school unprotected while numbers are going up. That translates to anger v unvaxed and renewed fear of exposure (which I think is reasonable in an ER). Also, I think people are pretty accepting of people doing things like crossing the room to minimize risk from strangers. It isn’t personal or performative.
The tone on this board matches the local sentiment here overall. There’s a spectrum of beliefs, with most people taking reasonable precautions (including crossing rooms to socially distance), and some being very conservative with their risk of exposure. Frustration is the dominant emotion.
Eta: I have never, not once, witnessed in person a conflict over mask-wearing. The worst was a woman requesting I put my mask back on when jogging past me on a walking trail. Easy enough to do. People understand other people have different risk tolerances, even if their beliefs misalign. I have seen, time and time again, people with higher risk tolerances don masks out of respect to those who have lower risk tolerances. Even people who l know are very anti-vax and mask-skeptical
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“Israel’s national coronavirus czar on Saturday called for the country to begin making preparations to eventually administer fourth doses of the coronavirus vaccine.”
For those of you who have jumped the line to get your third shot, remain anxious and impatient, and believe Israeli health officials (versus our FDA) are the best source of advice, looks like it may soon be time to head back to your local pharmacy and misrepresent your vaccine status again so you can get a 4th jab.
They are absolutely terrified because of COVID, I have had parents who have had kids have anaphylaxis who do not want to go to the emergency room for monitoring because of exactly this reason. They are terrified that their kid will be exposed to COVID in the ER and beg me to help them monitor the kid at home.
I had to show it when I went for my pre-colonoscopy visit this summer. Obviously scheduled, non-emergency care, but required.