I am confident everyone here knows I am a big supporter of vaccines including the Covid vaccines.
But…at the individual level there can be downside to getting the vaccine, and we have to be honest with those who are vaccine reluctant that extremely rare and sometimes serious, even fatal, side effects can occur from the covid vaccines including a several hundred myocarditis cases primarily from the MRNA vaccines, and several dozen deaths from blood clots among J&J and AZ vaccine recipients.
Of course chances of severe outcomes from a covid infection are much greater so the positive risk benefit of vaccination is clear.
It depends on what they are allergic to. If it is something in one vaccine but not in another, they can get the vaccine that does not have whatever they are allergic to. If it is in all available vaccines, then they are out of luck* (although that would be legitimate medical exemption for employer requirements and such).
*In theory, if they found a foreign vaccine without whatever they are allergic to, they could try to travel there to get that vaccine (there are four vaccines available in Mexico that are not the same as the three available in the US), although it may not pass employer requirements and such in the US, so they would still need to show a medical exemption from vaccines available in the US.
I know you are pro-vax!
The more recent myocarditis research shows the risk to be low and not as bad as previously reported. There has been only 1 case of myocarditis that resulted in death because of the vaccine. Note “the associated myocarditis is usually mild and self-limiting, and is far less likely to occur than myocarditis or death in unvaccinated people with COVID-19”
“It depends on what they are allergic to. If it is something in one vaccine but not in another, they can get the vaccine that does not have whatever they are allergic to. If it is in all available vaccines, then they are out of luck* (although that would be legitimate medical exemption for employer requirements and such).”
I think any decisions need to be a doctor/patient based. Allowing people to consult with their physicians and make medical decisions, without penalty, imo is the way to convince people.
The decision has been taking out of the doctor/patient relationship and is being mandated by politicians who do not understand each individuals medical history.
“IgG Spike Protein antibody levels
Nuclear protein for natural infection”
I am not sure you would get someone to go have those assays done?
I understand there are ways to prove vaccination but not sure it is practical.
Also, there are many coronaviruses. We used to report daily how many cases of coronavirus we would detect, and what type they were. When SARS-CoV-2 came along, we removed all the coronavirus reporting from our system, because we were afraid people wouldn’t know to identify which type we were reporting, and would panic when they saw all the coronavirus circulating in the population. And that’s what some tests are actually be false positives - because they are picking up other types of coronavirus and not SARS-CoV-2. So they would still need to get that antibody test to prove it. But that would be good for the patient to know.
I understand, but for your friends who say they are protected - if they know they have these antibodies then they have a strong argument to maybe not needing vaccination. That would be supporting evidence. But, would it be accepted? Maybe by some. Some experts say that should be good enough to not require a vaccine mandate for those individuals.
That’s all fine and well, but it does not negate the fact that you linked a study you declared to be examining the effect of Covid vaccines on fertility. The study is NOT DOING THAT.
There well may be ongoing studies or completed studies that actually did or are examining the effects of Covid vaccines on fertility. You should have posted the link to one of those rather than the study which you did link, which would provide no answers to the question of whether or not covid vaccines negatively impact women’s fertility.
There may also be ongoing or concluded studies on the impacts actual Covid infection has on fertility. I would like to see those as well.
Which is why I agree with @Mwfan1921 in that we can’t say there’s no risk because people will point to those who really, really drew the short straws.
What needs to happen is showing the odds of getting the vaccine vs Covid - and there the vaccines (all of them) really show their true benefits. There is a small risk getting any vaccine. It’s really sad when it happens, but it shouldn’t be denied. There’s a comparatively huge risk getting Covid, and not just of death, but long term complications many of which are just starting to be tabulated. No one knows how long those will last, but if anyone has doubts, read articles about kidney, brain, cardiac, lung (and probably others I’m forgetting) and how Covid affects them, many times even if one had a mild case.
It is a known and long-used tactic of antivaxxers to use fertility concerns as a way to scare people away from vaccines. It’s not surprising that it’s popped up for the Covid vaccine.
I’m curious about the advice that I see frequently for reluctant people to talk to their doctor. Maybe I’m just odd, but I see my doctor once a year for a physical. She works as part of a group practice and when you call with an issue you usually get a call back from a nurse who assesses whether you really need to come in or not. If you do get an appointment, you see whoever has space. I don’t think I’ve ever seen my own doctor on one of these random visits. So, how exactly are you supposed to talk this over with your doctor? I have a hard time believing that vaccine reluctant people, in general, are the type to have very close relationships with their doctors.
The great termination has begun. Several large defense contractors are reviewing and rejecting specious exemption requests and preparing to terminate the employment of the non-vaxxed multitude. Some federal contractors now will hire only vaxxed applicants. It should be interesting.
Here in my state, one that is only now beginning to expand Medicaid, many of the people who have yet to get a vaccine have no doctor to talk it over with.
We will see if non-compliance to vaccine mandates change Thanksgiving travel in the US with 40% of the Transportation Security Administration’s (TSA) employees still unvaccinated with a deadline looming on the Monday BEFORE Thanksgiving to be FULLY VACCINATED. Here is one quote from the CNN article:
“ In order to meet that deadline, the last possible date for receiving the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine is October 18, while the latest possible date for the first dose of Moderna was October 11. The Pfizer vaccine requires a three-week waiting period in between first and second doses. Moderna requires a four-week wait. The last possible date to receive the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine is November 8, two weeks before the November 22 deadline.”
