Yeah, I understand that I may be in the minority on that subject. I probably feel that way because elders like my grandparents are superheroes to me for being remarkably resilient people who have overcome overwhelming obstacles in their lifetime (poverty, Jim Crow, Redlining, etc.) and continue to show unbelievable dignity as they fight through various ailments that may eventually kill them. Several of my young family members are showing various signs of depression dealing with digital learning and a lack of interpersonal interaction. We will see the long term psychological effects in due time.
I am watching and learning a lot from the posters here on this topic. Tons of great information.
But letâs please remember that we all have feelings. Feelings that can be hurt. So letâs try to be kind.
The internet is a great thing but itâs very hard to see context. And hard to get all of your thoughts out in written form.
It is a dilemma for those who are unable to care for elderly relatives for whatever reason, since nursing homes are not necessarily great places. Despite the high cost to the resident and family, the apparent dissatisfaction among the staff who are trusted to provide the care adds problems and risk, as the COVID-19 situation has revealed (dissatisfaction â staff refuse vaccines â staff bring virus in â nursing home lockdowns and risk to residents who may have weaker immunity from vaccines).
Just want to provide access to the actual website where the article on adverse effects of the Pfizer vaccine appears. Americaâs Frontline Doctors (americasfrontlinedoctors.org)
The linked article mentions risk to those at risk of recurrence or growth of cancer, and also risk of autoimmune flares. Other research I have seen has a different take on both.
I do try to research different perspectives. We can all do this and make our choices.
Me too. Thatâs why I shared it. Itâs hard to tell which articles follow the science and which follow the propaganda. We know that historically the latter convinces more people than the former.
In that vein, there are some knowledgable people who would like to see a more honest discussion that follows the science.
About âAmericaâs Frontline Doctorsâ:
The article mentions many issues in itâs analysis of the data coming out of Israel. One of them being the risk/benefit of the vaccine for differing age groups.
Yes! Kindness is the oil that keeps these discussions from grinding to a halt.
On another note, CC does not have fact-checkers like FB and we cannot verify the truth or validity of external links posted. Clicker beware. We will not actively screen links unless they violate rules or TOS. If enough senior members flag a link or post, it will be hidden automatically - which essentially makes our fact-checkers⊠you! 
Well of course. Thatâs whatâs said of anybody who doesnât fall in line.
I am definitely not trying to hurt anyoneâs feelings. What I was trying to get across is that those who are vulnerable hopefully have someone who will fight for their interests, because expecting our divided society to âdo the right thingâ in regards to getting vaccinated is unlikely, because there are some legitimate questions, concerns, and mistrust that must be overcome first.
Consistently telling the truth might help with that. 
I havenât seen where ACOG is actually recommending that pregnant women obtain vaccine. Their policy is extremely nuanced: they recommend that it be made available for pregnant women, i.e., have âaccessâ with no preconditions.
This discussion is very interesting. For me everything is a cost/benefit analysis. If the harm or danger is minimal, I totally agree that it makes sense to wait to take a new drug or vaccine. I did not have my oldest get the then-new chickenpox vaccine because I believe chickenpox is a mild illness in young, otherwise healthy children.
With that said, the risks of COVID strongly point in the direction of getting the vaccine, and at every age. While the risk of death is low to young people, thatâs not the only risk. Iâm afraid thereâsa very good chance âlong covidâ will turn out to be like post polio syndrome. The polio might not have killed someone when they were young, but can shorten their lives, with them dying in their 60s. I can see that thereâs a decent chance that young long covid sufferers will potentially die of heart failure down the road, or of pulmonary disease. That heavily weights the decision in favor of the vaccine.
Finally, letâs not conflate vaccines with medications. I am unaware of any vaccine, ever, causing problems 5-10-20 years after administration. Can anyone point to this happening?
A real concern should be the unintended consequences of this decision when the serious adverse event reports start rolling in on these young kids - it could result in even more vaccine reluctance on our vaccination program as a whole. Time will tell.
You might want to read the article I posted above titled âExpert evaluation on adverse effects of the Pfizer-COVID-19 vaccinationâŠâ Although some apparently believe that the website is a bunch of crackpot doctors and scientists spreading fear, you still might want to read the article thoroughly anyway. It seems that itâs very popular to put down those who arenât following the politically correct line of reasoning and have questions. In the article, the author demonstrates his analysis of the official datasets, and questions the risks as communicated the public.
The good news is that every story Iâve read is that the baby has been born with antibodies, not with Covid.
FYI NY is letting anyone who is a US resident get the vaccine here, and no appointment is necessary. This week they are giving away free Metrocards or railroad tickets to people who get the J&J at their subway/railroad station. Check with me closer to his arrival date, @MaineLonghorn and I will let you know about availability. The vaccine websites indicate which vaccine is given.
I am not sure I understand people will get the vaccine to travel. You are willing to get vaccinated so you can go have a good time/do something that benefits you, but not to protect others? (Granted, not all travel is for fun.)
But I have heard friends say the vaccine was too rushed, itâs too early, I am worried about long-term affects. I get all that. But then their next sentence is they will get it so they can go on vacation overseas this fall.
I appreciated the article. It seems the main concerns were not enough time was taken to observe the the potential ADE response, and that several high-risk groups (autoimmune, tuberculosis, pregnancy, etc) were not included in the trials. And, that not enough warnings were being given to those in the high risk groups. Thatâs a fair point. I do not fault my autoimmune BIL for not getting it. I would think that if one fell into such a group, they would ask their doctors first.
But with respect to the time taken to study every possible effect, the world did not have time. We had 3000 Americans dying every single day in the beginning of 2021. I also do not have the same confidence that we are doing such a great job treating it now. On Dec. 30th, the U.S. had 19.5 million known cases and 338,500 deaths. As of this morning, we had 32.7 million known cases and 582,000 deaths. Thatâs a 1.85% death rate for 2021. Even if we are still missing 3x the number of cases, thatâs not great IMO. And that doesnât even count the risk of long haul covid (my personal fear for me/my family).