Where are you finding any medical provider who doesn’t want updated info on all medical issues with a patient? In my system they even want to know about flu shots - or vaxes we get for overseas, etc. All info goes into our chart. Anyone looking at the chart doesn’t need to ask, of course, but I can’t fathom any medical provider not wanting access to all information.
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A sample of more than one. Also, medical providers follow established protocol and best practices. That helps improve medical care in general but isn’t always the best method for sniffing out weird problems from a new procedure that they didn’t personally administer and might still be gathering data on and learning about. Specialists are specialized in their field but not necessarily in real-time underlying immune reactions from a new immunization method that could lead to symptoms in their field. It’s a learning process for all.
Buckle up, anyone who’s not vaccinated. There is now an outbreak of the Delta variant where people had no contact outside, or fleeting contact. Both encounters (,or lack of encounter) were caught on security cameras. It is seeming like Delta is edging towards a virus like measles in terms of transmissability.
To be protected from Delta, you need to be fully vaccinated, which takes 5 weeks. I seriously will be sorry if some CC posters who are hesitating about the vaccine become Delta’s victims.
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I’m definitely understanding why people aren’t seeing what y’all are reporting in reputable media. If no one is willing to provide a source that can be fact checked, no reputable media will put it out there as a story. Only those willing to rely on hearsay will and they’re likely doing it for the viewership (aka money).
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Ugh, and this is the one that is hitting younger ages harder according to hospitalization data I saw reported on TV (younger meaning <60, including kids, and including more with no comorbidities). Not harder than older folks - harder than “Basic” Covid.
I really don’t want a lull in Covid. I’d like to see it go away.
And I have had the reverse… had a weird issue with my DH, first question from Dr was if he was vaccinated or not. So YMMV… anecdotes are not data.
Here are the reporting requirements:
Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:
- Any adverse event listed in the VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination that occurs within the specified time period after vaccinations
- An adverse event listed by the vaccine manufacturer as a contraindication to further doses of the vaccine
Healthcare providers are strongly encouraged to report to VAERS:
- Any adverse event that occurs after the administration of a vaccine licensed in the United States, whether it is or is not clear that a vaccine caused the adverse event
- Vaccine administration errors
Vaccine manufacturers are required to report to VAERS all adverse events that come to their attention.
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You might be referring to your primary medical provider. Of course they ask. Specialists might be a different story. This has been my experience with several in the past few months. I wasn’t aware that CC required “proof” regarding someone’s opinion from their experience so perhaps you can provide some clarification? To provide more context, I have ongoing inflammatory issues that overlap with the symptoms post-vaccine; I’ve made no claim that they are caused by such nor have I disclosed whether I personally have been vaccinated. But I’ve been surprised that my specialists do not ask about the vaccine. I brought it up as a general question but the response was shrug. They aren’t poor providers. They just go off the data and currently there is no definitive data. They are no worse or better than many of the highly-educated commenters on this forum.
But wouldn’t you agree that officially much of these stories are still “hearsay.” - that was certainly true of the more mild issues with myocarditis post-vaccine. Something is “hearsay” till it builds enough evidence to become worth looking into. That doesn’t mean every piece of hearsay will do so, of course. But some will.
If this predates the vaccine, I can see why they would shrug it off. The vax is not the cause.
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You might be referring to your primary care provider. I am referring to specialists. Sorry if this is a repeat of what I said above. Just want to make that clear. My primary of course would and does ask about vaccine status: flu, tetanus, Covid . . .
And in these cases the hearsay gets looked into because people give their source. Same with the blood clots. Same with Covid side effects too. Fact checking happens from what is truly seen vs what is just alluded to, but no source.
That’s what we want you and @Mariar70 to do. Provide the source of your hospital system claims (not anything specific to you or any single provider - just the system that is seeing a lot of bad effects from the vax and hasn’t seen bad Covid effects).
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That is true and even if using different medical systems, records can be retrieved in some cases. However, purpose of visit might preclude looking into vaccine status. When I visit my specialists, they do ask for current list of medications (already in my files, btw) but I’ve never been asked about my vaccine status! That practice hasn’t changed in recent months.
Mine predates Covid by 1-5 years, but I’ve seen brain tumor docs, cardiac, respiratory, surgeon (for carpal tunnel), and neurologists and every single one has an intake person who asks me if anything medically is different from the last time I saw them. Technically the doctor doesn’t, but the intake person does. Systems range from Wellspan, Geisinger, UPMC, (all local) to Johns Hopkins. Medical boy has been around at least two different systems in western NY, and my mom had two different systems with her cancer in middle to northern NY too. All asked each time. I went to several of my mom’s appointments.
Your system is strange IME. I prefer mine.
I reported it once. I do not continue to report it.
I will gladly give you the information that you are looking for if you promise to actually look into the information that I will provide. It seems to me that you have no interest in researching anything. You simply want to prove me and anyone that does not agree with you wrong. Let me know any I will provide many sources.
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You need to know the name of the medical system that my contact works at where where “hearsay” emerged that young people were suffering from myocarditis before it was even “officially” reported? Why? Most would conclude that such “hearsay” actually had teeth to it. I’m sorry, but your motives sound a bit “off.” All these medical systems are fine systems. Let’s not contribute to further distrust - especially in a thread that is supposed to be exploring that topic.
As for my own experiences, I have already disclosed that I live in MN. Anyone is welcome to look up anything they wish to about the medical care I’m receiving in this fine state. For the record, I’m regularly seeing three specialists and all are well educated and top of their field, although I’d venture the opinion that one clinic I attend has a simply outstanding dude who specializes in very weird stuff and that I haven’t personally consulted him to ask about the Covid vaccine and inflammation. I have no reason to. However, he’s the ONE person I’d “trust” to understand any possible connection. The rest are fine but they don’t have quite the same highly quirky intellectual curiosity. They stick to their field, not to any underlying internal medicine issue that might be contributing. As my dad would tell me: some doctors can diagnose the head-scratchers, and they tend to be IM’s who love to sniff out the unusual (my dad was one of them when he practiced, that’s an opinion, and no I will not disclose where he received his medical training or where he practiced).
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Yes, the specialists I’ve seen recently – gynecologist and gastroenerologist – both asked whether I was vaccinated when I made my appointments.
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You didn’t say “specialists,” you said “medical providers.” Primary care providers are certainly “medical providers.”
You also made a blanket statement (apparently about specialists) that isn’t true across the board. When called on that, you doubled down as if you can speak for all specialists based on your apparently vast experiences.
My SIL has had some troubling health issues recently and has seen several specialists to try to determine what is going on. Every specialist he saw asked about both vaccine status and COVID history. This was at a hospital in NC. The reason I know this is because when I spoke to this family member, I was curious if anyone thought to consider whether or not his issues could be related to his vaccines.
My primary care doctor is also board certified in cardiology. When I went in for care recently, I had to fill out a recent history. It asked about COVID vaccine status. He uses the same form for his cardiology patients (downloaded from portal). Not all physicians view their patients from the lens of their specialty, though that is common of course. Many specialists do think for themselves rather than limiting their practice to dictates of CDC or other agencies when doing differential diagnosis.
Even with these recent experiences, the best I can do is speak of them as they are - personal anecdotes- vs trying to lay some claim about “medical providers” as though they are all the same.
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Totally unrelated to the current discussion, but I am curious as to why (not)…?
5 weeks if you start Pfizer - BioNTech, 6 weeks if you start Moderna, 2 weeks if you start J&J - Janssen.
As noted previously, vaccination appears less effective against this variant, but it is still much worse to encounter it with no immunity than with some immunity.
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Mine don’t ask if “anything medically is different” unless it’s in the context of new symptoms that have popped up. Specialists can be very . . . specialized. Even cardiology has its sub-specialties. My docs go deep but they don’t go broad. Here, that’s more for my primary care. I also don’t need to see anyone via referral; my insurance and my health system allow me to make independent appointments. However, my records follow me so shouldn’t be an issue. My guess - using Occam’s Razor here - is that they note it but simply don’t connect to day to day appointments due to lack of data. That might be a legitimate way to practice - or it may not be. But it might be too early to know to change the latter. They are going off best practices, which are historical, and the history with the vaccine is pretty new.