Vanderbilt vs. Ivy league

College Search & Selection
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<p>hahahaha RML is SO mad right now. your jimmies seems rustled brah</p>

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<p>and RML you do realize that Vanderbilt is usually seen as a wealthy elite school and while Berkeley is seen as a respected smart school, not even berkeley students would try to talk about MONEY with vanderbilt. especially not with the california budget cuts.</p>

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<p>Have we settled on the milliHarvards for Vanderbilt?</p>

<p>It is important we come to a resolution so OP can get a better feel for the prestigiosity.</p>

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<p>RML, no, the hiring patterns of Goldman Sachs, McKinsey, etc do NOT define “prestige.” It’s laughable that you would think so. You really don’t get that those are just jobs and there are a thousand other career paths.</p>

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<p>RML, I have been a guest lecturer at Kellogg. I know you like to think all they care about is GS and McK and so forth, but you couldn’t be more mistaken if you tried. People who get into these schools have all kinds of backgrounds. You are revealing a very provincial and limited mindset and you are only embarrassing yourself with your “hypotheses” about Vandy and your Berkeley obsession. It’s not cute to have such low self esteem that you’re desperate to prove that everyone loves Cal.</p>

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<p>Speaking of Northwestern, a professor there Lauren Rivera recently came out with a study based on her interviews with numerous hiring officers at large IB’s, consultancy firms, and law firms. The conclusion – they target just a handful of schools. </p>

<p>[Brown</a> and Cornell Are Second Tier - Percolator - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/brown-and-cornell-are-second-tier/27565]Brown”>Percolator: Brown and Cornell Are Second Tier)</p>

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<p>Yes, and in other news, the sun rises in the east. So what? That’s only important for the people who think that these are the only careers that are “prestigious” or worth having - which is a sure marker of not being very knowledgeable or observant about the world. Why there is such fuss about a handful of careers / companies who decide for whatever reason suits them that they only wish to recruit at a handful of schools, is beyond me. So let 'em only recruit at a handful of schools. Big deal.</p>

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<p>ROFL. You know, if you cut off enough of the bottom of ANY school, you could find a handful of geniuses at the top.</p>

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<p>In various measurements for such things, Vanderbilt is virtually indistinguishable from Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, and Penn. It’s hard to get all OCD with numbers for “atmosphere”, so I’m not too sure about that one. Vanderbilt students may get a little more excited about sports and dress-up clothes than the average Ivy League student. If fewer of them go into investment banking than HYP students, maybe it’s because most of them don’t need the money (or just crank out a couple of plantation bodice-rippers when they do.)</p>

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<p>RML’s assertion that Vandy is only “kids who couldn’t get into Ivies” is baseless. Kids WANT to go to Vandy. It’s got a lot to offer.</p>

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<p>Maybe you’re right, Alexander. I guy I know who did a master’s at Cambridge from Northwestern was so determined to pursue a PhD in mathematics despite the lure for him to get into i-banking. But that’s not my point. The point was that Northwestern, Chicago and Michigan are all in the list of the top employers. Vanderbilt is not. We, on CC, do not determine that list. They do. They define prestige. We don’t. Not Pizzagirl. Not momo. Not goldenboy. And, in their short list of prestigious schools, Michigan, NU and Chicago are there. Vanderbilt is not. That’s my only point, and I couldn’t believe Goldenboy, who himself is a prestige whore type of guy, isn’t understanding that.</p>

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<p>Good lord. Will it ever end?</p>

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<p>You’ve got to be kidding me, Goldenboy. Any ambitious lawyer would rather have a diploma coming from either Yale or Harvard, if not Stanford Law. Those who go to UVa Law are there because they couldn’t get into the Big 3 Law Schools. Let me ask you this: Would you really go for Duke Law than Yale Law? Be honest. </p>

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Oh, come on now. UVa Law isn’t YHS Law, prestige-wise. Furthermore, UVa Law does not have the quality of students that YHS attract. Those students at UVa Law are there because they didn’t get into the Big 3 Law Schools. If given a chance, I bet almost everyone at UVa Law would be very much willing to swap places with those at the Big 3 Law Schools. Even at Berkeley Boalt Law, regarded to be one of the 9 best law schools in country, enrolls students who didn’t get into the Big 3 Law Schools too. That said, I am not saying a Vanderbilt prelaw couldn’t get into a decent law school. What I’m saying is when it comes to rigid competition amongst the best of the best, Vanderbilt couldn’t match the Ivies + top publics in terms of representation. For me, that’s largely due to the low prestige level of Vanderbilt rather than its location because Duke (and even UVA) are well represented at those top schools.</p>

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<p>“Vanderbilt is not.”</p>

<p>It sounds like the school founded by the richest man once upon a time can no longer attract capitalist recruiters and only rich dilettantes attend the school.</p>

<p>baseless argument?</p>

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<p>Pizza girl,</p>

<p>“Yes, and in other news, the sun rises in the east. So what?”</p>

<p>Well it was “news” because the Chronicle of Higher Education reported it on the front page and a professor at NW studied it. Do you think she did that because everyone already knew the answer of which schools are prime recruiting targets? Also, these jobs are common jumping off points to MBA’s, JD’s, top businesses and consulting. Why so dismissive of the idea that the admission slots at these schools are valuable and thus deserve scrutiny? Surely you are not saying that all other things being equal the ticket to Ohio State opens as many career doors as the ticket to Harvard?</p>

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<p>Don’t knock UVA law. It has four students clerking at the S Ct the current term (for the third time in six years) and stands tied for second in number of clerks. Also, the same firms that recruit at Yale recruit at UVA. Having worked at a top 50 law firm for 16 years, that firm (and many others) would rather have top 20% at UVA than top half at Yale (if you can even figure that out given Yale’s opaque grading). Yale is a terrific law school UVA opens the same doors.</p>

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<p>Any school that has to shell out millions to offer it’s graduates jobs in the alumni office to keep its top ranking isn’t that great in my book. UVa is guilty of this and should be scrutinized as such. But that’s getting off topic.</p>

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<p>muckdogs07, I’m not belittle UVa Law. Pardon me for my lack of adjectives to describe it. UVa Law is a top law school indeed, standing along side Berkeley-Boalt, UPenn and Michigan. They all are well within the top 10 in America. I’m just saying Yale Law is in a notch above those schools, prestige-wise.</p>

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You’re still in denial stage, Pizzagirl. </p>

<p>Admit it, those companies define prestige too, whether you like it or not, or agree with it or not. It’s not you who define school prestige. Those top companies, partly do.</p>

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<p>Here are some numbers from Vanderbilt for 2012 graduates</p>

<p>Response’Rate
Total!Graduates! 1673
Total!Completed!Surveys 847
Response!Rate 50.6% </p>

<p>Graduate(and$Professional$Schools
School #!Attending
Vanderbilt!University 63
University!of!Michigan 8
University!of!Tennessee 8
Columbia!University 6
Duke!University 5
Georgetown!University 5
Georgia!Tech!University 5
University!of!Texas 5
Emory!University 4
University!of!Alabama 4
Harvard!University 3
Massachusetts!Institute of!Tech. 3
Medical!College!of!Georgia 3
Northwestern!University 3
Stanford!University 3
University!of!Georgia 3
University!of!Illinois 3
Washington!University 3</p>

<p>List!represents!schools!with!three!or!more!students!attending.</p>

<p>Finance,!Real!Estate,!&!
Insurance
38</p>

<p>So only about 38 people even took jobs in this grouping and it is a big grouping.</p>

<p>Employers</p>

<p>Bank!of!America!Merrill!Lynch
Morgan!Keegan!&!Company,!
Inc.
BlackRock
Mountain!Group!Capital
Capital!One
PricewaterhouseCoopers Caterpillar!Financial!Services!
Corporation
Citigroup
Raymond!James!&!Associates
Credit!Suisse
Deutsche!Bank Stephens,!Inc.
Edgeview!Partners
Summit!Partners
Ernst!&!Young
SunTrust!Robinson! Humphrey</p>

<p>Fortegra!Financial
T.!Rowe! Price
GE!Capital Trinity!Consultants
Goldman!Sachs UBS!Financial!Services
Harris!Williams!&!Co. Wells!Fargo
Jefferies!&!Company
JPMorgan!Chase!Bank Makena!Capital Management</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.vanderbilt.edu/career/media/pdf/Post-Grad-Report-2012_FINAL.pdf[/url]”>http://www.vanderbilt.edu/career/media/pdf/Post-Grad-Report-2012_FINAL.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;