<p>MOWC, do not single out Barrons that quickly. He’s got company. Seems that the B1G is out in full force today to push that envelope of semantics about graduate teaching versus leading “sections” again. </p>
<p>Same ol’. Same ol’ story.</p>
<p>I just checked all the 300 and 400 level history courses offered at UW this semester. I’m happy to report that except for two classes taught by Associated Lecturers, all the other courses are taught by tenured professors. So whatever problem they had in the 70’s, it is no longer true.</p>
<p>Btw, I graduated in the early 70’s and I have never seen any upper level courses taught by teaching assistants.</p>
<p>p.s. midmo was clear that she was referring to lectures and not discussion sections.</p>
<p>How many of those classes are graded solely by the tenured professors?</p>
<p>midmo was clear that she was referring to lecture being led by graduate students.</p>
<p>Btw, can you name any research university that doesn’t use any teaching assistant for grading?</p>
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<p>Does that represent an admission that graduate students actually do teach? A fact that anyone who is attending or has attended a research university actually KNOWS? </p>
<p>It is simply amazing to see the lengths some take to deny and obfuscate the most obvious facts. We know which school like having small armies of teaching assistants with very variable qualifications, teaching abilities, and basic command of English. And we know how effective their participation is. The good, the bad, and the ugly!</p>
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<p>While UIUC is very good in engineering and tough to beat in computer science, overall, UWM has long been seen as the more prestigious academic state school.</p>
<p>In the B1G, among the state universities, it would be UM followed by UW and then UI.</p>
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<p>Really people, you need to think a little more critically when looking at data sets (assuming the data sets don’t, themselves, have major flaws).</p>
<p>The reason why UIUC’s starting salary and mid-career salaries are higher than UM’s (despite UM beign seen as being more prestigious all around) is due to the fact that most UIUC grads end up working in the Chicagoland area.</p>
<p>While there are UM grads working in the EC, many stay in Michigan while others end up in Chicago as well.</p>
<p>Also, being a much smaller school, a much higher % of Vandy grads go on to get graduate degrees.</p>
<p>The fact that the salaries of grads of these large public universities is as close as they are is pretty impressive.</p>
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<p>If you were talking U of Michigan vs Vanderbilt, I think you’d have a lot tougher choice. Between U of Wisconsin vs Vanderbilt, I think it’s Vanderbilt hands down. Thing is - everyone around you at Vanderbilt will be smart. I don’t think you can say that at U of Wisconsin.</p>
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Wisconsin is well known in Asia. I’ve met hundreds of UW alum in Asia but I don’t know more than a handful of people who have ever heard of Vanderbilt.</p>
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I think many of you have overlooked the fact that the OP is interested in Teaching or Pharmacy. You can’t get a PharmD degree at Vandy.</p>
<p>UW’s 25-75% ACT is right where Vandy was in 2001 (27/31) for a much larger class that has to be 70% instate. Was Vandy not a good school in 2001? UMich was a 27/31 in 2010. Same question.</p>
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<p>Should a domestic student choose a school in the US based on the circle one travels abroad? And, why would it be surprising that a school such as UW or Michigan be more known in Asia? Isn’t that where most of the recruiting for graduated students and those TA jobs take place? </p>
<p>This is such a silly debate!</p>
<p>Vanderbilt has gotten much more selective, just like many other schools. That’s not new news.</p>
<p>Until I lived in middle Tennessee, my opinion of Vanderbilt was not as high. It was an excellent school, but it tended to attract the rich kids from my previousncity who were just a cut below the top students. Now that I am here and have family members at the school in various capacities, I have seen how incredible it is. That said, it isn’t for everyone. It certainly does have a strong frat presence and the whole SEC sports thing. My own Vandy daughter (grad school) said she knows Rice was a much better undergrad fit for her. </p>
<p>I also didn’t realize that Nashville is the best place to be in the whole world until I got here! :)</p>
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<p>^ Let’s not overplay the “SEC sports scene” when it comes to Vandy.</p>
<p>Last year, Vandy’s avg. attendance for FB was 33,269, about on par w/ Navy’s avg. attendance.</p>
<p>I am saying Midmo has a very questionable recollection of who taught what. Wisconsin History was among the very best history depts in the US in the 70’s–better than now. I actually attended several undergrad history classes at that time and they were taught by great profs like Goldberg and Mosse whose lectures have been become legendary and attended by many who were not even in the class just because of their quality. History was one of the most popular depts at UW because of the great teaching and scholars it has had. From the days of FJ Turner to today UW history has been a leader.</p>
<p>[Harvey</a> Goldberg Center](<a href=“http://history.wisc.edu/goldberg/goldberg.htm]Harvey”>http://history.wisc.edu/goldberg/goldberg.htm)</p>
<p>[George</a> L. Mosse Program in History](<a href=“http://history.wisc.edu/mosse/mosse.htm]George”>http://history.wisc.edu/mosse/mosse.htm)</p>
<p>List of Fall undergrad seminar classes. None taught by grad students.</p>
<p><a href=“http://history.wisc.edu/course/history600descriptions.pdf[/url]”>http://history.wisc.edu/course/history600descriptions.pdf</a></p>
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<p>Who cares? Why would this possibly be of any more relevance to the OP than how well each school is known by Scandinavians?</p>
<p>k&S- Do you live here? Do you have any IDEA what the SEC sports scene is like here at Vanderbilt? Yes, it isn’t Alabama football, but the excitement around the new coach is huge right now. Also, as I said, in Nashville there are many alums of the other SEC schools, so there is no escaping SEC sports. UTN is a huge presence here, too. The rivalries are huge. And basketball is a religion here. You are mistaking having a winning team for lack of a strong conference affiliation. I lived in Big 12 territory for almost 30 years, and it didn’t come close to the frenzy here in Nashville.</p>
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Why? Because they scored higher on a standardized test? </p>
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<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/896767-post14.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/896767-post14.html</a>
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<p>I would argue Vandy’s student population is richer, not smarter.</p>
<p>^ Wisconsin is a huge state school. Simple sense- The average Vanderbilt student will be smarter that’s for sure. There is really no comparison between the student body at state schools relative to that of selective private schools.</p>
<p>No, because I know quite a few people going to both schools (I live in Illinois, remember? in fact, my next door neighbor’s kid goes to UW). The Vandy kids are kids who are top 20 material in general and were candidates for other top schools. Movers and shakers. The UW kids are decent-bright but nothing to write home about academically. If they weren’t going to UW, they’d go to UofI. Sorry. I call it like I see it. I think UW is a fine enough state school but it’s no Michigan or Berkeley.</p>
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If I recall though, your social circle can probably be classified as “ladies who lunch”. Of course you’re going to be impressed with a kid being sent off to Vandy versus one who is shipped up north to the “mega state school”. </p>
<p>This Californian thinks very highly of UW-Madison. It’s way more than just a “fine enough state school”. It offers many outstanding academic programs and I would be very proud to send my kid there.</p>