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<p>I don't live in southern california. I live in northern california. Where the 4 most expencive counties in california are. The three most expensive counties this year were from san jose up the peninsula to san fran, and the fourth no surprise was santa cruz. im making a point, of course your not going to be impressed with anahiem. As dennis miller put it best, " The La dodgers and the Angels are playing each other tonight, the loser of this series, has to keep the name anahiem" And of course i would not like Irvine either. No one likes over priced over rated orange county suburban sprawl. You cant base your judgement of california on southern california. As you would likley say "thats such a typical californian thing to do". California was founded because of and still is liked mainly because of the north. </p>

<p>As far as proptionality goes who cares? Thats the my point. New York and the east can hold on to that notion as much as they want but the numbers do not add up. You could argue that some town in long island has a proprtionatly higher persantage than the state of idaho in terms of amount of people and money spent . But when the numbers add up it wouldnt matter because idaho brings in more money as a state than does that town. You seem like a high school kid, dabbling in irrelivant facts. Anyways, like its been said befoe when push comes to shove the state of california's economy carries much more than any state in the country. No state will come close ever . New York may have its glammer and glitz but when it comes down to it more people ( Be it fourtune 500 corporations, manufacturers, or tourists) would rather come and SPEND THEIR MONEY in california. Its just that simple.</p>

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As far as proptionality goes who cares? Thats the my point. New York and the east can hold on to that notion as much as they want but the numbers do not add up. You could argue that some town in long island has a proprtionatly higher persantage than the state of idaho in terms of amount of people and money spent . But when the numbers add up it wouldnt matter because idaho brings in more money as a state than does that town. You seem like a high school kid, dabbling in irrelivant facts. Anyways, like its been said befoe when push comes to shove the state of california's economy carries much more than any state in the country. No state will come close ever . New York may have its glammer and glitz but when it comes down to it more people ( Be it fourtune 500 corporations, manufacturers, or tourists) would rather come and SPEND THEIR MONEY in california. Its just that simple.

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<p>Who sounds like a highschool kid? I put simple facts in front of you and you dismiss them as "irrelevant". So be it. There's nothing more to be said, then. Either you are very desperate to prove a point that just cannot pass muster, or you have simply never been anywhere and don't know what you're talking about.</p>

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<p>California is filled with a Buch of Liberal scum.</p>

<p>Living in San Francisco (and being a registered Republican, though I identify myself as a moderate conservative), I can say it's not that bad, but there are problems. What's true is that there are a lot of intolerant and overly political correct liberals in the Bay Area. Most of it shows up during</a> election time. However, it does bring some great entertainment. I remember when Horowitz published his anti-reperations ad in the Berkely newspaper, and all the of liberal thought police started buying up or trashing up newspapers to prevent anyone from reading it; then later they stormed Horowitz 's appearance at Berkeley later because they didn't think he deserved to speak. Same thing with watching videos of any counter-protestors during anti-war marches in the city, it's quite amusing to see so many anti-war protestors begin to act so irrational at the sight of a handful of anti-war protestors. Stuff like this makes me said to leave the city. :( </p>

<p>It's also true that the education system in San Francisco is extremely biased and doesn't encourage critical thinking. It's not rare that you'll receive an assignment like this. Here's my own scan, from an English class no less!</p>

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<p>But of course, that's the bad, almost all of my friends don't agree with me politically but we have no problem getting along. And minus the huge homeless problem, which I doubt will ever be fixed with the current political climate in the city, there are a lot of great things to do here and the city overall is pretty nice.</p>

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I don't live in southern california. I live in northern california. Where the 4 most expencive counties in california are. The three most expensive counties this year were from san jose up the peninsula to san fran, and the fourth no surprise was santa cruz. im making a point, of course your not going to be impressed with anahiem. As dennis miller put it best, " The La dodgers and the Angels are playing each other tonight, the loser of this series, has to keep the name anahiem" And of course i would not like Irvine either. No one likes over priced over rated orange county suburban sprawl. You cant base your judgement of california on southern california. As you would likley say "thats such a typical californian thing to do". California was founded because of and still is liked mainly because of the north.

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<p>How is being overpriced a bad thing in Southern California, but a good thing in the North?</p>

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<p>Because we are special, thats why... ;)</p>

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<p>don't base your judgement of California on the behavior of crroberts, either.</p>

<p>California has its perks. It's a fabulous place and I'm glad to say I grew up here. There are nice parts and not so nice parts, a beach, a desert, mountains, etc. </p>

<p>The East Coast is also super nice. Beautiful seasons, gorgeous landscapes, culture, and that general aura of any place. </p>

<p>The original thread was perceptions of Californians, not a fight about which is better. Since when is being superficial/conceited a good thing? And who cares if Californians drive slower than other people? Honestly!</p>

<p>Many, many people in California were not born even born here! So really, what is California other then a collection of all the other states, a beach, and a lot of traffic? Well, we can't forget the Mexican food...</p>

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<p>Daniel i just pointed out to you that your notion of proportionality doesnt mean anything. New Yorks economy isnt anything near california. And as far as how well traveled i am kid, ive probably had more miles on my mitsubishi's than you have had in you're life. And manderz, suck a nut.</p>

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Daniel i just pointed out to you that your notion of proportionality doesnt mean anything. New Yorks economy isnt anything near california. And as far as how well traveled i am kid, ive probably had more miles on my mitsubishi's than you have had in you're life. And manderz, suck a nut.

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<p>Haha.... This is pathetic. Do you like proving that you don't know anything? I've lived in 4 different countries, and travelled a great deal. I highly doubt that you are more well-travelled than me, maybe you are though, but really - so what anyway??</p>

<p>And, if you don't like the per-capita income figures, that's not my fault. It only shows that there are 11 states (and the District of Columbia) more prosperous than California. Why should that bother you? What do you have to prove? Seriously...</p>

<p>Please, go back to your Mitsubishi and try calming down.</p>

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<p>Oh daniel where to begin. Seeing as how you probably arn't in colllege and don't know the first thing about logical rational thinking i will try to break it down for you. </p>

<p>Here is an analogy, Isreal has more men and woman proportioantly that serve in their military, than does the united states. Does this mean that their military is more powerful than ours? More resourceful? More efficiant? NO! Their military is no where near on the same level as ours.</p>

<p>If I used your logic, than because more men and woman serve in the iserali, they are stronger, more efficiant, and better off, in relative comparison to other countires.</p>

<p>This same flawed logic is what im trying to break down to you. Just because any of these places generates more per capita proportionaly, as oppose to some place larger that generates more percapitafor their given population does not make them "more prosperous". More prosperous in what relativity? It certianly isn't relative in comparison to any of the states..</p>

<p>Just as the united states does not have as efficiant use of man power as does isreal, our brute size and economic stregnth is enough to make our military stronger. Just as california's sheer brute economic stregnth makes it stronger and the most prosperous.</p>

<p>And if you think 11 states including washington DC are more prosperous than California you need to reexamine your definition of prosperity. None of the places you listed have 1) an economy the size of california's 2) a median home value that is close to california's and 3) none of those places generate nearly as many tax dollars to the us economy as california. </p>

<p>If you think Dc is prosperous i suggest you take a walk down in South East, south west, and parts of north east. Chances are if you are white you wouldn't be caught dead there. I know because my grandfather lived in Dc and he lived in northwest near rock creek park, the only decent area (back in the 90's).</p>

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<p>So then... why is California so F----- up?</p>

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<p>Is it? Nah, no more so than Florida, Texas, Ohio, New York...</p>

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Californians may taunt others about snow and the temperature, etc. in other places, but many (forgive me if this offends, I'm just speaking honestly) seem totally unknowledgeable about life in other parts. Give me the seasons anyday. Give me the rain that makes the sky and the grass and the plants brilliant. Give me the clear air. Give me the clean roads and shady neighbourhoods with lovely, old homes. Give me a place that has proper shopping districts and not grimy, dusty strip malls as far as the eye can see. And....if I may say it....give me a place that has actually managed to move beyond the hippie era. ;-)

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I give you... Northern California. Why does everyone get the picture that all California is, is beaches, tanned models, and Hollywood? There is much more to the state than that. Northern California, or at least the Bay Area, could probably be thought of as just the same as everywhere else in the country, just with really expensive homes, virtually no public transit, and less drastic weather. </p>

<p>As a Californian, I think we are too full of ourselves, much like New Yorkers always appear to be, but, like New Yorkers, it is not our fault, because in general, we are more cultured and accepting than in other parts of the country. Still, I'm hoping to leave CA for college.</p>

<p>And please stop generalizing!</p>

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Oh daniel where to begin. Seeing as how you probably arn't in colllege and don't know the first thing about logical rational thinking i will try to break it down for you.

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<p>Great work. An ad hominem attack. Nice. Am I supposed to dignify this with a defense? </p>

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Here is an analogy, Isreal has more men and woman proportioantly that serve in their military, than does the united states. Does this mean that their military is more powerful than ours? More resourceful? More efficiant? NO! Their military is no where near on the same level as ours.</p>

<p>If I used your logic, than because more men and woman serve in the iserali, they are stronger, more efficiant, and better off, in relative comparison to other countires.</p>

<p>This same flawed logic is what im trying to break down to you. Just because any of these places generates more per capita proportionaly, as oppose to some place larger that generates more percapitafor their given population does not make them "more prosperous". More prosperous in what relativity? It certianly isn't relative in comparison to any of the states..

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<p>This is silly. Why are you rambling about the military size of a country of 7,000,000 people? Per-capita income - since you don't seem to know - is simply wealth divided by population. And, since you still don't get it, California's economy is as large as it is because of its size and population. Do you really think that you wouldn't get a comparable size economy if you carved out an area with CA's population in the Northeast? Give me a break. And, please don't answer with, "But, California is a powerhouse! It has a huge tax-base! Its world-famous!!" Deal with realities, please. Don't dismiss facts with attacks on me or superlatives of California's fame and acclaim.</p>

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Just as the united states does not have as efficiant use of man power as does isreal, our brute size and economic stregnth is enough to make our military stronger. Just as california's sheer brute economic stregnth makes it stronger and the most prosperous.

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<p>"California's sheer brute economic strength" is a reflection of its role as the most populous state of the world's richest country.</p>

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And if you think 11 states including washington DC are more prosperous than California you need to reexamine your definition of prosperity. None of the places you listed have 1) an economy the size of california's

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<p>This is because California is the USA's most populous state. </p>

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2) a median home value that is close to california's

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<p>And this is supposed to be a positive? California has the least affordable housing in the country? Great.</p>

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and 3) none of those places generate nearly as many tax dollars to the us economy as california.

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<p>People pay taxes. More people paying taxes equals a larger tax base. More people in California than any other state equals a larger tax base than any other state. More people = more taxes.</p>

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If you think Dc is prosperous i suggest you take a walk down in South East, south west, and parts of north east. Chances are if you are white you wouldn't be caught dead there. I know because my grandfather lived in Dc and he lived in northwest near rock creek park, the only decent area (back in the 90's).

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<p>I should have expected you to pick and haw at some minor point. This is irrelevant, and you know it. I raise the point that there are 11 states with a higher rate of wealth per head than California, and you dmiss it with this. Okay.</p>

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<p>I Could buy a two story house with 3 bedrooms and a gazebo... for 230,000 in North Carolina... Their asking 450,00 here for that...</p>

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<p>I'm Texan. I think of Cali people as party people who enjoy a lot of sex. Not necessarily lazy, just no real apparent moral structure. And I'm assuming everything is expensive. Yah, I'm staying way. :)</p>

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<p>TTTR, I know. I can't wait to move away, mainly because I know I'll never be able to afford a home here. We have a few of those real estate magazines with fantastic houses, and I found one that was either in New York of Pennsylvania, that was a fabulous house, and was only around $800K. My house, which is about half the size, and a small fraction of the land, would go for about $900K, and the only things that are new since the 1960s are the roof and windows.</p>

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<p>Where do you want to move to? I really like the Carolinas and Virgina.</p>

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<p>I would especially love to live somewhere in New England, particularly Connecticut or Massachusetts; they're both so pretty. Or if I could really live anywhere I want, I'd live in England itself.</p>

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<p>efficient, aren't, proportionately, Israel</p>

<p>morally speaking, I don't think that Californians are any more "loose," if you will, just, in general, more accepting of "alternative" lifestyles if you will.</p>

<p>that being said, there are a decent amount of hardline, Christian conservatives in California. Maybe not as concentrated as the midwest, but definitely present. It always amazes me at how liberal California supposedly is, but how frequently I see a Rep - California (R) places.</p>

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<p>Mostly up the back side of California in the less populous regions... though Ventura and San Luis Obispo counties have quite a few Republicans there...</p>